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Lovey for Coach 2014


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Everyone's all geeked up on Billick... Why no talk of Lovey Smith? The Vikings would have a chance to ram it up the Bears kiester hiring him...

Discussion? thumbs up or down.

I'm going to start threads with other choices too...

Good Luck!

Ken

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How'd he do in Chicago? Seriously? Pretty darn good. Made it to the Super Bowl, NFL coach of the year. Many seasons with above 10 wins, divisional titles. What else do you want? Only one team out of 32 can win the Super Bowl! He gets his team in contention.

You kill me Buck... always [PoorWordUsage] and moaning about everything. Often I try to see your side... but youre always so busy patting yourself on the back, you cannot have an open discussion... lets hear your outstanding coaching candidate list... one's that are a perfect fit and will bring home the Lombardi trohy no questions asked! Guarnateed

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Bud Grant made it to the Superbowl how many times?? Marv Levy made it to the Superbowl how many times?? How many Superbowls they win?? Maybe we should get one of them.

I get it, you live in MN so just getting to the playoffs like Smith did is like winning the Superbowl.

My perfect guy?? Well he is coaching Pittsburgh right now. Sure they aren't that good right now, but they are old and injury plagued, but I sure remember him hoisting the Lombardi.

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OH BUCKY BUCKY BUCkY...

Not from MN, never rooted for the Vikes a day in my life... Just love talking football. Have no problem with discussing other teams and what makes them click.

Tomlin... yeah, he had it tough walking into a Super Bowl contending team.... he's a great coach, but dont think for a moment he built that dynasty. He is riding it down and it may cost him his job within the next year or so.... just the beast of the business

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OH BUCKY BUCKY BUCkY...

Not from MN, never rooted for the Vikes a day in my life... Just love talking football. Have no problem with discussing other teams and what makes them click.

Tomlin... yeah, he had it tough walking into a Super Bowl contending team.... he's a great coach, but dont think for a moment he built that dynasty. He is riding it down and it may cost him his job within the next year or so.... just the beast of the business

Tomlin walked into a team that was 8-8 and missed the playoffs the year before. Then he took over and took them to the playoffs with a 10-6 record. Then in his second year they went 12-4 and he took them to the superbowl and won. He didn't walk into a contending team at all. The Steelers get it. They will be done with Rothlisberger soon the same way the Pack was done with Farve and went to Rodgers. We will probably end up with Rothlisberger in 2015, cause he won the Superbowl in 2009.

You said yourself that its no cake walk to win the superbowl. Does that mean that Tomlin was quite exceptional at his job?? Or did he walk right into it? If it was so easy then Cowher should have had no problem getting the job done winning the Superbowl.

You want to talk about a coach that walked into something that would be John Gruden walking into TB after TD left. That was walking into it.

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We all (except him) don't know squat about anything and we should start a "BUCKONLY" thread and just read his posts and be enlightened by his words of wisdom.

Getting back to the topic.

I would take a coach like Lovie, would like to have Billick, but most of the guys that found a life in some kind of broadcasting job have a hard time coming back to "working" 120 hours a week.

Mike Sherman?

Pete Carmichael?

Tom Coughlin?

Rob Chudzinski?

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Bucky...

BUZZZZ wrong answer. Thanks for playing.

yes he inherited a Super Bowl contending team. Cower won it the previous year to his last...and went 15-1 the year before that. Change the stats however you want to make your insight look spot on. With your argument Tomlin will be gone by years end. He'll be lucky to go 5-11.

Just so you can see Cowhers record I am posting it for you:

1992 35 Pittsburgh Steelers NFL 16 11 5 0 .688

1993 36 Pittsburgh Steelers NFL 16 9 7 0 .563

1994 37 Pittsburgh Steelers NFL 16 12 4 0 .750

1995 38 Pittsburgh Steelers NFL 16 11 5 0 .688 AFC Champions

1996 39 Pittsburgh Steelers NFL 16 10 6 0 .625

1997 40 Pittsburgh Steelers NFL 16 11 5 0 .688

1998 41 Pittsburgh Steelers NFL 16 7 9 0 .438

1999 42 Pittsburgh Steelers NFL 16 6 10 0 .375

2000 43 Pittsburgh Steelers NFL 16 9 7 0 .563

2001 44 Pittsburgh Steelers NFL 16 13 3 0 .813

2002 45 Pittsburgh Steelers NFL 16 10 5 1 .667

2003 46 Pittsburgh Steelers NFL 16 6 10 0 .375

2004 47 Pittsburgh Steelers NFL 16 15 1 0 .938

2005 48 Pittsburgh Steelers NFL 16 11 5 0 .688 Super Bowl Champions

2006 49 Pittsburgh Steelers NFL 16 8 8 0 .500

Even with an 8-8 record the year he was replaced, his record for the 5 years before Tomlin took over was 63-32...

Ya, they were Super Bowl contenders and already primed to be a dynasty.

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Bucky...

BUZZZZ wrong answer. Thanks for playing.

yes he inherited a Super Bowl contending team. Cower won it the previous year to his last...and went 15-1 the year before that. Change the stats however you want to make your insight look spot on. With your argument Tomlin will be gone by years end. He'll be lucky to go 5-11.

Just so you can see Cowhers record I am posting it for you:

1992 35 Pittsburgh Steelers NFL 16 11 5 0 .688

1993 36 Pittsburgh Steelers NFL 16 9 7 0 .563

1994 37 Pittsburgh Steelers NFL 16 12 4 0 .750

1995 38 Pittsburgh Steelers NFL 16 11 5 0 .688 AFC Champions

1996 39 Pittsburgh Steelers NFL 16 10 6 0 .625

1997 40 Pittsburgh Steelers NFL 16 11 5 0 .688

1998 41 Pittsburgh Steelers NFL 16 7 9 0 .438

1999 42 Pittsburgh Steelers NFL 16 6 10 0 .375

2000 43 Pittsburgh Steelers NFL 16 9 7 0 .563

2001 44 Pittsburgh Steelers NFL 16 13 3 0 .813

2002 45 Pittsburgh Steelers NFL 16 10 5 1 .667

2003 46 Pittsburgh Steelers NFL 16 6 10 0 .375

2004 47 Pittsburgh Steelers NFL 16 15 1 0 .938

2005 48 Pittsburgh Steelers NFL 16 11 5 0 .688 Super Bowl Champions

2006 49 Pittsburgh Steelers NFL 16 8 8 0 .500

Even with an 8-8 record the year he was replaced, his record for the 5 years before Tomlin took over was 63-32...

Ya, they were Super Bowl contenders and already primed to be a dynasty.

Even with an 8-8 record the year he was replaced, his record for the 5 years before Tomlin took over was 63-32...

Ya, they were Super Bowl contenders and already primed to be a dynasty.

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Ok. Your arguments swayed me. Not! They make no sense. I'm out. Careful what you post...You're going to start sounding more like buck tooth Sutherland when you try to argue your points. You're right as usual in your own little world. The scary thing is at times I agreed with your posts. I better go back and revisit that.

Back to the orig topic. Lovey would be a great candidate. Better than Tomlin who can't even find a win over the hapless ill coached Vikings. I will bet he lands as a coach next year somewhere. You don't earn coach if the year if you don't have abilities.

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Pretty amazing to go from 6-10 to 15-1 he was a great coach. Did he just retire? I don't recall Cowher doing anything else now.

He retired to be with his wife and kids. She shortly there after died from some sort of cancer, I think if memory serves me .

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Ok. Your arguments swayed me. Not! They make no sense. I'm out. Careful what you post...You're going to start sounding more like buck tooth Sutherland when you try to argue your points. You're right as usual in your own little world. The scary thing is at times I agreed with your posts. I better go back and revisit that.

Back to the orig topic. Lovey would be a great candidate. Better than Tomlin who can't even find a win over the hapless ill coached Vikings. I will bet he lands as a coach next year somewhere. You don't earn coach if the year if you don't have abilities.

That's right. When you cant win the argument resort to name calling. By no objective measure of NFL franchises did Mike Tomlin inherit a dynasty. You make it sound like they could have put Grimmace in as coach and won the title. Fact is the guy worked his rear end off and got it done. That's what I want here.

Back to your original post if we get Lovey we may as well have kept Dennis Green. Both proved that they are masters at choking in the big games. Maybe its time to look at one of the college coaches??? Urban Meyer or Saban look like they are NFL ready. I think eventually Saban wants another crack at the NFL anyway.

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What I'm hearing here, indirectly, but still hearing is the players make the coach, the coach doesn't necessarily make the players. All the teams Buck quoted had excellent players. Sure you have to place them in a position to win games but lets not put so much emphasis on the coach. You guys sound like the talking hairdos on ESPN and their insistence that the only way you win in the NFL is with a great Q.B. The Vikings main problem is the lack of talent, that coupled with poor coaching go hand in hand in a poor season. So much can happen from year to year such as schedules, injuries, poor drafts that affect a team. I do feel the Vikes need a new coaching staff but I believe that would be basically putting a band aid on a massive wound. The Vikes are in trouble for awhile and the main thing to come out of it is better, smarter players.

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Players are a huge component. Coaching is the rest. They had enough talent to remain competitive last year and they should be so this year. What's changed?

Josh Freeman, though somewhat of a flyer, DOES have talent. His is a true 1st round talent. Whether it can be coached out of him again or not remains to be seen. It wasn't by luck he has two season's with 25+ TDs and 4000 yards last year. Is he Manning or Rogers? No... but if someone can keep him focused, he is an above average QB.

They picked up Jennings who still is a talented reciever. Rudolp has great talent, obviously Peterson, The Oline has talent, why are they not working? The defense has a lot of holes, but still should have enough to remain viable. The secondary with the exception of Smith is sub-par. The packers had nothing but injuries last year and this, especially on D, they can get enough play out of second and third stringers to keep them in a game. The O-line last year was bandaged together with undrafted free agents and practice squad players. I dont think talented was a term used to describe what they had. But you scheme to your strengths to mask your weaknesses. I don't think the current coaching staff on the Vikings have that ability.

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Hey Bucky... can you please tell us WHO will be the next great Head Coach in the NFL who isn't currently an NFL Head Coach? You are such a great prognosticator, we would love to be enlightened....

As far as Lovey.... I think he would be a good fit as would run the Tampa 2, which is the personnel we have(we could debate til the cows come home if that personnel is any good). The bottom line for me is I think you have decide between retreads who have had success or trying to find the next Star. So many variables at play with current talent, injuries, GM, etc. it is really hard to fault the Coach for everything. I think Lovey got a raw deal in Chicago, but if that means it lands us him next year, I am not complaining.

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They were by NO STRETCH of the imagination a dynasty. They weren't the 1980s SF 49ers. They weren't 1990s Dallas Cowboys. They weren't 2000s NE Patriots.

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FACT- A dynasty doesn't go 8-8 EVER. And they certainly never miss the playoffs.

Im bored Bucky... let's keep playing.

The 2000s Patriots, 8-8 in '99, 5-11 in 2000, 9-7 in '02, 11-5 in '08. Missed the playoffs all 4 years.

The 1990s Cowboys, 6-10 in '97 missed playoffs, 8-8 in '99 made wild card but still 8-8.

The 1980s 49ers, the only time they missed playoffs was strike shortened season, their dynasty went through the 90s in which they missed 3 times with poor records, but I will give you that you only listed the 80s.

I'll let you ammend your post and shrink the perameters of your statements down or have the ability to put exceptions in so you can remain 'right'.

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