Manziel Debate

[DrJuice1980]

When little Johnny tries to scramble out of the pocket and is met by the bigger, faster, stronger NFL DE's it sure is relevant.

[LMITOUT]

LOL.

More excuses.

[DrJuice1980]

How did you interpret an excuse there?

I get it LMIT, you want him here to see a train wreck. Just admit it.

[JosMN]

I don't really think this is debatable. This punk has an "I'm the best no matter what" head on his shoulders. Its going to fuel every guy going against him. I personally hope he gets rocked and a good wake up call, just cause he's that much of an !diot. I think a lot of the nfl analyst think the same, but don't want to come out and actually "say it". That's just my opinion.

[CaptainMusky]

And that is relevant how? Oh that's right, it isn't.

You are right LMT, all of the combine stats are irrelavent and we are all sheep for posting any of the data. At least I posted ACTUAL OFFICIAL data and not heresy on his times.

BTW, there were a few other QBs that were faster than Johnny including Connor Shaw and Logan Thomas. What say you now? Is it relevant or not?

[LMITOUT]

Any other excuses you guys want to use? Wrong color eyes? Ears too big/small? Likes Coke instead of Pepsi?

Any other pathetic reasons you can come up with?

[LMITOUT]

At least I posted ACTUAL OFFICIAL data and not heresy on his times.

Well thank goodness you are here to do that. Heaven forbid we are off by 12/100th's of a second or 1.25" of height.

ROFLMAO!

[CaptainMusky]

Depending who you ask they might think being 1.25" shorter may be a big deal.

Its funny how height and speed aren't a big deal. Guess it depends which way the wind is blowing so you can change your mind.

[LMITOUT]

Thanks to your always relevant information, I have now thrown in the towel on Johnny Football because he ran an official time of only 4.68 in the 40 instead of an unofficial time of 4.56.

And not only that, but because Clowney paced pretty much everybody, no QB's will be drafted. Ever.

Bahahahahahaha!

Good grief.

[CaptainMusky]

You forgot a gif or some other animated retort. Those are always relevant. Especially the one showing johnny with a beer. SMH

[zepman]

Listening to Zimmer talk at the combine I would say we'll probably go defense with our 1st and 2nd pick. Look for the QB to be taken with one of our 3rds.

[Big Dave2]

Any other pathetic reasons you can come up with?

Oh, I'm sure there will be plenty.......

[Big Dave2]

You are right LMT, all of the combine stats are irrelavent and we are all sheep for posting any of the data. At least I posted ACTUAL OFFICIAL data and not heresy on his times.

BTW, there were a few other QBs that were faster than Johnny including Connor Shaw and Logan Thomas. What say you now? Is it relevant or not?

Is this relevant?

http://nflcombineresults.com/playerpage.php?i=8708

[DrJuice1980]

I didn't see Pete Carroll's system anywhere on that page so no, it isn't relevant.

[CaptainMusky]

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Is this relevant?

http://nflcombineresults.com/playerpage.php?i=8708

big Dave LMT is the judge, jury and executioner on all things relevant.

[Big Dave2]

big Dave LMT is the judge, jury and executioner on all things relevant.

No, evidently Pete Carroll is.

[Northlander]

His show me the money act after scores left me sour to him. He will get drafted for big bucks and flame out like so many freelancing college QB's. wait until he has to read a big time D and get chased by D ends that are faster than him.

[Big Dave2]

wait until he has to read a big time D and get chased by D ends that are faster than him.

Yes, because no other QB in the NFL has to read a defense or gets chased by defensive ends.

[BuckSutherland]

Anyone else hear what Ron Jaworski had to say about the little boy today??

It was like a parent telling a kid why they had to go in a timeout.

Manziel blows.

[LMITOUT]

Ever hear of ESPN creating news?

And Jaws was at the center of that fiasco then, too. Just like he's doing now.

[thatoneguy]

His show me the money act after scores left me sour to him. He will get drafted for big bucks and flame out like so many freelancing college QB's. wait until he has to read a big time D and get chased by D ends that are faster than him.

Considering Manziel ran a 4.68 40 at the combine, the list of DE faster than him will be preeeeeeetty short. The guy shredded the best defenses he faced in college (well, he sunk vs LSU) including Alabama teams with plenty of pro prospects. What more could he have done at this point (besides not be a dooosh off the field)?

Let me guess, you would like a smarter, pro-system QB. Someone ready to plug in and play. Someone like...Ponder...was supposed to be coming out of college.

I'm not at all convinced that Manziel will be a star, but I think The people who have written him off, based on....nothing, really, are jumping the gun just a tad.

[CaptainMusky]

I'm not at all convinced that Manziel will be a star, but I think The people who have written him off, based on....nothing, really, are jumping the gun just a tad.

Next to physical capabilities character is the biggest thing scouts/coaches look at in these kids. Why else would the spend so much time and money invested in administering interviews and tests. There are red flags with him, but there are red flags with many of the others as well. He isnt the only one with "character" issues. If forced to select between Clowney and Manziel i would take Manziel just because he may have flaws but he works his butt off. Clowney has tons of talent, but seems like the Randy Moss of DE's.

[DrJuice1980]

I'd take the Randy Moss if any position given the output his first 5-6 yrs in league. That's a winning pick right there.

[Scott K]

I would take either in a heartbeat. Clowney slacked a few plays at the end of the season, to avoid an injury, and effect his pay day. Manziel's attitude of greed, I find disgusting, but he is just cocky. He has great leadership over his team, I could see him coming in and being the leader on the field.

[Big Dave2]

Anyone else hear what Ron Jaworski had to say about the little boy today??

It was like a parent telling a kid why they had to go in a timeout.

Manziel blows.

I didn't hear anything except Jaws said Manzeil didn't impress him. Was there more? How about a link? Sorry I work for a living.

BTW I was never too impressed with Ron Jaworski either.