Tweak the APR?

[PurpleFloyd]

Maybe the answer is to pay by the point. A doe would be the basic price, a spike would cost more and a 24 pointer would cost the hunter 10,000 dollars or some fee. That way those who really want a big deer can do so and those who just want venison can do that at an entry level price. Many guys would pass a 500 dollar 8 pointer in favor of a doe etc. Heck, that is the way the top deer farms are run and they obviously know what they are doing.

[Musky Buck]

Very negative impact going forward, I think most yearling bucks carry potential it's just they had or have a tough time surviving and shedding a few racks to show us their potential. If yearling bucks didn't breed some of or a lot of does in my area there wouldn't be any fawns, they have to get bred by a young buck or it would be dry doe city. Is that the negative impact, lack of mature breeding bucks ? They were once a forkhorn also. I think the true negative is that yearlings are required to breed much more than they should do to a lack of mature bucks ever anymore. Balance that out some and the big buck can really do his thing and the young buck strikes out.

[Musky Buck]

Tweak the APR we need to tweak game hogs, my secretary just told me her husband got 4 deer this year, I said in a managed zone 2 is the limit and last night he got out of his truck at my place blaze orange rifle in hand checking out a doe and fawn, why every year do I have to hear this stuff, I don't ask for it, it's guys like that guy that can hurt your area more than apr, this guy has 72 cattle in my pasture, yeah he needs his venison. Then did you hear how lucky Logan was ? No, he got 5 bucks this year ! He's the boy that told me to dump corn by my stand last year, hmmm, do you think he decided to not bait this year ? I need to take 3 weeks vacation after season so every1 forgets their deer stories. That's 9 deer in our section shot by 2 guys who live on cattle farms, I got bigger fish to fry than APR. Guess I have 2 more neighbor folk to talk to. If they shot their limit like they certainly can 5 more deer would be alive today in our area. Think these 2 chaps would be onboard for APR ? Not a chance in....

[lichen fox]

Bowhunter, I'm not supporting apr's and never will...all I'm saying is each to his own...I personally won't shoot a sub-140 inch buck intentionally...but that's me. That being said, I would also, never tell anyone else what they can or can't shoot, even if they are hunting with me on my property! Take a drive over to your neighbors, or to another hunting camp next to your hunting area and tell each and everyone of them..."if you're going to hunt next to me, you can only shoot bucks this big, and mature does, no fawns"..."and that goes for everyone in the camp."

[monstermoose78]

What will if APR goes state wide is the same thing that is happening to Mille Lac Lake Walleyes, so many nice fish but that many fish over 30 lots pushing 28. I am with Ltchen on this to each his own. I know when I go out hunting tonight with my nephew and that 2 year old 7 pointer walks by I hope he shoots his first buck. For me I got my eye on a nice doe fawn or the doe which ever gives me the best shot. Now if one of the 2 big bucks happen to come to close well it to bad for them.

[bowhunternw]

Bowhunter, I'm not supporting apr's and never will...all I'm saying is each to his own...I personally won't shoot a sub-140 inch buck intentionally...but that's me. That being said, I would also, never tell anyone else what they can or can't shoot, even if they are hunting with me on my property! Take a drive over to your neighbors, or to another hunting camp next to your hunting area and tell each and everyone of them..."if you're going to hunt next to me, you can only shoot bucks this big, and mature does, no fawns"..."and that goes for everyone in the camp."

I guess I was just trying to be a smart a88, you just stated that last year there wasn't many shot and this year there was an abundance of big deer. That is the logic of apr. Also you stated that you don't want to shoot a deer of THEIR standards. Their standards are the people hunting around you not the dnr. If the majority of people in the state want bigger deer, that is the only way to accomplish it. The people that shoot what ever they want will have to adapt. Personally I would support it but then I think about what the results could be. I am from the same area as you and with the amount of cover that was around here it was fairly easy for them to get old. But it is disappearing fast and have to say I am a little concerned about the future of it all.

[BRULEDRIFTER]

BAN ALL APR REGULATIONS!!!!!!!!

[lichen fox]

Bowhunter, I don't know how old you are, but I remember when all the area around here was for the most part brush...fields were small...30 - 40 - 100 acres at the most...then wheat hit $5 in the early 70's and they bulldozed and cleared every available acre...it really didn't change the number of deer we shot back then...but back then, I wasn't as fussy...just wanted venison for the freezer...you're right...about alot of crp getting worked up...about half of it will be farmed...the other half put back in crp...but as for the actual "holding" capacity of the area, it won't change things much...deer depend more on "brouse"....tree's-willows, etc. in the dead of winter...if the snow is not deep, they will hit the fields...but, for the most part they need the woody brouse in the winter months...if the deer are overpopulated you will see a significant number of deer, even in "deep" snow years looking for food in the ag fields....IMO, the dnr doesn't have a clue about the actual number of deer in the area I hunt anyway...

[Coach1310]

A large majority of folks will hunt with or without APR. For many it is about the hunt, spending time with family and friends, spending time in the woods and the opportunity to shoot a deer. If the rules became APR in my area, not big deal. I am beginning to find more and more satisfaction just watching the deer from my stand anyway. The loss of thousands of acres of marginal land to crop fields is slowly eroding the ability for areas to support herds of deer. My biggest concern with APR is turning more of the state into LEASED and Outfitted types of management. It will just limit the abilty for us without our own land to hunt.