I'd like feedback from deer hunters.

[zzammon]

I thought whoever's tag is on it first is the sole owner of the deer? The site tag is king.

[eyeguy 54]

hockeybc69 for president!

[Bear55]

Not enough info to say either way, its easy to say give it to the kid if you didn't make a perfect shot on the buck of the lifetime. Maybe it was just grazed and the kid did make the shot but it can be hard to tell. Poor shots can bleed good and then stop so even if you investigate at the scene you don't know who's bullet hit where.

I heard a story a while back where two friends shot the same big buck and they had replica antlers made. Not a bad idea but probably too late for this situation. It would probably be spendy too.

[archerystud]

I heard a story a while back where two friends shot the same big buck and they had replica antlers made. Not a bad idea but probably too late for this situation. It would probably be spendy too.

I like that idea.

I understand giving up a deer to the kid but if I shot a 180 inch buck (and made a good shot) I would have a tough time giving it up. I guess if I could have a replica made of it I would be okay with it.

My rule of thumb is first vital hit gets the deer. Hopefully I never run into this situation but I made a good hit I would expect it to be down in 150 yards.

Like Bear said it's hard to say who made the hit but I think "distance traveled" tells a lot.

[TruthWalleyes]

Thats a bummer, I'd give a young hunter the good stand any day, and sure as heck let them keep a trophy. Love them smiles on kids faces, especailly when it involves outdoors!

Definitely can tell the Horn Porn hunters from others in reading these responses

[Big Dave2]

[Big Dave2]

Thats a bummer, I'd give a young hunter the good stand any day, and sure as heck let them keep a trophy. Love them smiles on kids faces, especailly when it involves outdoors!

Definitely can tell the Horn Porn hunters from others in reading these responses

Like!^^^^^^

[hockeybc69]

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Definitely can tell the Horn Porn hunters from others in reading these responses

I can definitely tell the entitlement people on this thread too. LOLLL

Oh, dont forget to give poor Johnny a medal because he participated in the calligraphy class.... LOLLLL

[deerminator]

Exactly.

[eyeguy 54]

chuckle chuckle ;>)

[TruthWalleyes]

I can definitely tell the entitlement people on this thread too. LOLLL

Oh, dont forget to give poor Johnny a medal because he participated in the calligraphy class.... LOLLLL

My values lie closer to "You get only what you earn", but i have a soft spot for kids in the outdoors... and I have no problem giving what I can give...

Just a few things i've given to people in the last year that i wouldn't consider to be any different than allowing a kid to keep a deer: Wii, Fish House, Depth Finder, Muzzleloader....FREE. As i upgrade, i give to someone who'd interested in getting started. All of those things i spent good hard earned money on-but a grateful smile is worth more than the cash IMO.

I HAVE PLENTY OF TIME TO GO HUNT ANOTHER DAY. No way i'd steel a ball from a kid, even if it landed in my lap first and then rolled onto his. Even if i spent BOOKOO $$$ trying to catch a foul ball all year...

[hawgchaser]

I really do appreciate the comments...all of them. Keep in mind, the information I now know from my grandson is from a kid who's in only his second year of hunting from his own stand. He was not aware of any noticeable impairment to the deer which he shot and dropped on the spot as it walked from the woods into a clearing. I still don't know where the other shot hit. I understand the "entitlement" perspective and largely agree with it, but make great distinction between a generous heart and a bleeding heart. If you really believe in "you only get what you earn", I would expect your kids' birthdays and Christmases to be pretty sad, and that (in the same spirit) you would overwhelming support a 100% death tax and repeal of all estate planning laws. Every adult should begin their adult life on equal footing.

I'm immensely proud of the kid who is still excited about the deer he shot, and doesn't seem to resent the lack of "evidence" to prove his kill.

[CaptainMusky]

Was his father around when the other guy came over and claimed the deer? I think that would have been reasonable like someone else mentioned to have him make sure the kid wasnt getting duped.

I too, would probably give the kid the deer. I have never shot one that big and it wouldnt be easy, but seeing the joy in a kids face knowing that he dropped it in front of him regardless of whether or not it was mortally wounded seems like the right thing to me.

I took my 11 year old son along this year and he carried a gun. We had a spike buck crossing in front of us at 80 yards and I asked if he could shoot it, but I knew that would be a tough shot for him. He lost it in his scope and I said I could see it. He said you shoot it so I did.

It dropped right there, we walked over and he finished it off. HIS DEER!

He wsa beaming! Grinning from ear to ear and the widest eyes ever. No one can take away that experience from him. I just wish he would have gutted it. LOL

[LightningBG]

, and that (in the same spirit) you would overwhelming support a 100% death tax and repeal of all estate planning laws. Every adult should begin their adult life on equal footing.

Good call. Then when Grandpa passes down that hunting land to Grandson. Opps. Just kidding. When Grandpa passes the families hunting land on to the government.....

Good to hear that he's feeling alright with how everything turned out.

I would have been curious as to how good of a blood trail the deer was leaving. That should tell a great deal about who's shot was who's.

I'd be all about giving the kid the deer in 99% of the cases. I am about as far from a horn hunter as possible, but if it's truly a "once in a lifetime" deer, and I'm getting on in age, and I honestly had an accurate, lethal shot, I'd be hard pressed to just give it away.

Who knows. Maybe the kid knows more than he's letting on and that's why he's ok with giving it up. Could be anything, but at least he's being graceful about it. Congrats to him for a successful hunt, no matter what he came home with.

Who knows, maybe having a huge trophy in your second year of hunting wouldn't be good for him. Everything else will pale in comparison. When I was a kid I started skiing at Afton Alps. Loved it. Then in HS I started going skiing in Colorado. Haven't skied or snowboarded in MN since. It just pales in comparison and isn't any fun.

[Big Dave2]

I can definitely tell the entitlement people on this thread too. LOLLL

Oh, dont forget to give poor Johnny a medal because he participated in the calligraphy class.... LOLLLL

How is this anything close to entitlement?

Entitlement is all the horn hunters lobbying the DNR to make it illegal for anyone else to shoot a deer that is under an 8 pointer.

This has NOTHING to do with entitlement and has all to do with selfishness.

[hockeybc69]

Ok. You are right.

Uncle... LOLLLL

[hawgchaser]

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Was his father around when the other guy came over and claimed the deer?

Don't have much info about this. All my communications with my grandson have to be on the sneak as his dad forbids him contact with me. Helping one's son-in-law get convicted of wife-beating and putting law enforcement on him for dealing/using seems to have strained the family bond. My guess is the kid probably tried to keep his dad out of it. He's been the "adult" in that family for a number of years. He's (so far)one of those "against all odds" or miracle kids who has thrived in an environment no kid should have to grow up in. You can see why I'm a little biased and a whole lot proud.

[Big Dave2]

Ok. You are right.

Uncle... LOLLLL

????? ?????

[CaptainMusky]

Don't have much info about this. All my communications with my grandson have to be on the sneak as his dad forbids him contact with me. Helping one's son-in-law get convicted of wife-beating and putting law enforcement on him for dealing/using seems to have strained the family bond. My guess is the kid probably tried to keep his dad out of it. He's been the "adult" in that family for a number of years. He's (so far)one of those "against all odds" or miracle kids who has thrived in an environment no kid should have to grow up in. You can see why I'm a little biased and a whole lot proud.

I can definitely understand and your grandson MAY have been protecting his father from a potentially hostile situation had his father been there considering his past???

He sounds like a wonderful young man and one that WILL get what he deserves, an even bigger deer someday.

My dad lost a trophy buck to another hunter once. The only thing he could see was the neck up. He blew the whole bottom of the neck off and the deer went down a hill and several shots were fired. My dad gets there to find an older gentleman who can hardly stand, stinking of booze standing over his deer. There was a hole in 1 ear and one of the antlers was shot off and no other wounds other than the neck wound.

My dad let him have it. No animal is worth the potential consequence of being RIGHT.

[InTheNorthwoods]

I usually subscribe to a "first blood" rule as a starting point on who gets a deer. I then work back from that point to determine if it could have been a fatal shot. If there is no chance the shot was fatal, I'd say it goes to the 2nd shooter (or person who made the fatal shot). If there is any chance the "first blood" was fatal, I'd say that is the person who takes the deer.

That said, I don't think there is enough information to form an opinion in this thread. I'd like to think I'd tell the youngster to keep the buck no matter the circumstances, but I don't think I can %100 say honestly that I'd be able to do that when I know that there is a deer that I've been hunting for several years that I would not easily part with if I was the first shooter (akin to the 14 pointer in this example). Ordinary "big bucks" - no problem sending it with the kid.

In the end, I feel terrible for your kid, but I don't feel like I can render a judgment in this case lacking additional information.

[LightningBG]

Just to clear it up. It is legal to track and retrieve wild game on unposted land (red). (also addresses posting requirements (blue))

per the statute:

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97B.001 TRESPASS.

Subdivision 1.Agricultural land definition.

For purposes of this section, "agricultural land" means land:

(1) that is plowed or tilled;

(2) that has standing crops or crop residues;

(3) within a maintained fence for enclosing domestic livestock;

(4) that is planted native or introduced grassland or hay land; or

(5) that is planted to short rotation woody crops as defined in section 41B.048, subdivision 4.

Subd. 1a.Outdoor recreation definition.

"Outdoor recreation" means any voluntary activity, including hunting, fishing, trapping, boating, hiking, camping, and engaging in winter sports, which is conducted primarily for the purposes of pleasure, rest, or relaxation and is dependent upon or derives its principal benefit from natural surroundings.

Subd. 2.Permission required to enter agricultural land for outdoor recreation purposes.

Except as provided in subdivisions 5 and 6, a person may not enter agricultural land for outdoor recreation purposes, without first obtaining permission of the owner, occupant, or lessee.

Subd. 3.Remaining on land prohibited after notice.

Except as provided in subdivision 6, a person may not remain on any land for outdoor recreation purposes after being orally told not to do so by the owner, occupant, or lessee.

Subd. 4.Entering posted land prohibited; signs.

(a) Except as provided in subdivision 6, a person may not enter, for outdoor recreation purposes, any land that is posted under this subdivision without first obtaining permission of the owner, occupant, or lessee.

( The owner, occupant, or lessee of private land, or an authorized manager of public land may prohibit outdoor recreation on the land by posting signs once each year that:

(1) state "no trespassing" or similar terms;

(2) display letters at least two inches high;

(3) either:

(i) are signed by the owner, occupant, lessee, or authorized manager; or

(ii) include the legible name and telephone number of the owner, occupant, lessee, or authorized manager; and

(4) either:

(i) are at intervals of 1,000 feet or less along the boundary of the area, or in a wooded area where boundary lines are not clear, at intervals of 500 feet or less; or

(ii) mark the primary corners of each parcel of land and access roads and trails at the point of entrance to each parcel of land except that corners only accessible through agricultural land need not be posted.

© A person may not erect a sign that prohibits outdoor recreation or trespassing where the person does not have a property right, title, or interest to use the land.

Subd. 5.Retrieving wounded game.

Except as provided in subdivision 3, a person on foot may, without permission of the owner, occupant, or lessee, enter land that is not posted under subdivision 4, to retrieve a wounded animal that was lawfully shot. The hunter must leave the land immediately after retrieving the wounded game.

[vitalshot5]

This all sounds unreal and kind of a setup question to me....14 yr old out hunting..by himself? no parent/elder around to contact...did he or does he know who the guy was? doesnt know if there was a blood trail...guy shoes up outta no where......you cant wait to see pictures but yet doesnt know where he hit the deer or how many holes in deer....too many things dont add up here.........

[hockeybc69]

Big Dave

Just to let you know. I do have a heart too....

Had the neighbor guy and his son come over and hunt behind my house tonight.

Nathan(age 10) harvested his first deer.

[LightningBG]

I wont say its a setup, but a 14yo gutting a deer solo? quite the task. How was he going to get that big buck outta there?

[deerminator]

hockeybc69, sure the kid got the deer but was there some sort of struggle between you and him initially over it? LOL. And hope you know from other posts am kidding. Thats great. My final post on this, I'm all about kids having fun hunting and getting them involved as much as possible. I can't wait til my son can start hunting in a few years. He already comes with me on early season bowhunts. I just don't think giving them the deer regardless sends a good message. We see a lot of deer, nice ones, that we never get a shot at on those bowhunts. And he understands that it isn't all about bringing one down. The ultimate goal is to do so, but as in life, nothing's perfect and not everything works out, so you have a good time and enjoy yourself during the process of the life - or the hunt - itself.