Mt Lion killed in Jackson county

[upnorth]

We all scream if someone violates other hunting and fishing laws.

Definition of a poacher from the web.

Wikipedia

"Poaching is the illegal taking of wild plants or animals contrary to local and international conservation and wildlife management laws. Violations of hunting laws and regulations are normally punishable by law and, collectively, such violations are known as poaching."

Seems that we have some folks here who support poachers.

[Dave S]

There was a frickin mountain lion living in their yard. A mountain lion....in the yard.

Here is part of the problem in the way things are spread inaccurately. How could one possibly come to the conclusion that this cat was living in their yard? How much more garbage can be spread to justify shooting this cat. Has there been any evidence that it's killed anyone's livestock in the 5 state area? Any evidence that it's threatened anyone? In the link to the snippit of the newspaper article posted earlier, it mentioned there have been reported incidents over the past several months. That is a generalized statement that also will lead into another coffee shop rumor. People will read what's in the media and start creating their own assumptions which soon turn into assumed fact.

[john skarie]

I guess we could just kill all the polar bears, grizz, lions, tigers, sharks, rattle snakes etc. in this world to make it a perfect place.

JS

[Eric Wettschreck]

And the Honey Badgers too. They're BA and they don't give a s###.

[upnorth]

And the Honey Badgers too. They're BA and they don't give a s###.

Someone showed me a youtube vid on those things, nasty little buggers they are!!

[JimmyJames]

And the Honey Badgers too. They're BA and they don't give a s###.

Nice, good stuff!

[LightningBG]

I guess we could just kill all the polar bears, grizz, lions, tigers, sharks, rattle snakes etc. in this world to make it a perfect place.

JS [/quote

If there were simony of those animals in my yard or pool, I would shoot them too.

[LightningBG]

Here is part of the problem in the way things are spread inaccurately. How could one possibly come to the conclusion that this cat was living in their yard? How much more garbage can be spread to justify shooting this cat. Has there been any evidence that it's killed anyone's livestock in the 5 state area? Any evidence that it's threatened anyone? In the link to the snippit of the newspaper article posted earlier, it mentioned there have been reported incidents over the past several months. That is a generalized statement that also will lead into another coffee shop rumor. People will read what's in the media and start creating their own assumptions which soon turn into assumed fact.

If he could see it while doing farm chores, chances are it wasnt too far from the house. Why wait for a tradegy before its justifiable to protect your family and property?

Not only will I support a poacher but I will become a poacher if the need ever arises.

Edit. Post before is supposed to read " if there were some of those in my yard or pool.... ( stupid autocorrect)

[jay83196]

Like I wrote earlier I'm on the fence so hard to believe what you read, but if was truly protecting themselves or livelihood they have every right....What I didn't get is Upnorths comment what's the point of bringing up the drunk driving comment, of course that's a bigger issue, so is heart disease should we lynch Ronald Mcdonald? I didn't understand your point, It's a hunting forum what do you expect for topics, if sombodys in danger there in danger and they have a right to protect yourself or property, if was just killed to kill it that's wrong...

[psepuncher]

There's been 98 attacks across the U.S. and Canada, 17 of those were fatal. Cougar attacks have increased during the past few decades.

Increases in cougar attacks are probably due to increases in their numbers and more people using wild lands and building residences in areas where mountain lions live.

If you live in an area inhabited by mountain lions, these preventive actions will help you avoid a possible attack:

· Install outdoor lighting in areas where you walk after dark.

· Remove any vegetation a lion could hide in near children’s play areas and your house.

· Keep pets under control. If pets are left outside overnight, confine them to kennels with tops.

· Store all garbage securely.

· Hike with others, carry pepper spray and a walking stick, and avoid early morning, dusk and nighttime excursions.

·

If you encounter a mountain lion:

· Pick up small children to prevent them from running and triggering a rush or attack.

· Stay calm, talk calmly, and slowly back away, keeping eye contact with the mountain lion. DO NOT RUN OR TURN YOUR BACK.

· Do what you can to appear LARGER by raising your arms or waving a stick.

· If the lion is aggressive throw rocks or sticks, and speak firmly and loudly.

· FIGHT BACK if a lion attacks you. Lions can be driven off by fighting back. DO NOT PLAY DEAD. Even children have successfully driven off a mountain lion by fighting back.

· Report all aggressive mountain lion behavior.

Man I didn't know this stuff...I bet many of us didn't either.

See the problem is the state and it's view point of such issues. Believing there are no populating or breeding pairs does not mean they are not here. If the state would confirm they are around and they are dangerous that's the fitst step. Just like drunk drivers etc.

What the state finaly should do is promote awareness and safe precautions through education. Since children are the most vulnerable I would start an education program at the grade school level. Next inline are pets. There are many avenues to educate pet owners. Under the guise of legal take, who cares what people hunt or shoot or even fish and drink. That's their own ethical debate to do so, as stated under legal cicumstances.

I say the state brought this on themselves,because without promoting educational awareness and proper ways to prevent encounters they are leaving many people in lion country very vulnerable to attacks.

Education people....get on with it.

Counter to popular thought, mountain lions do not chase after their prey in hot pursuit or pounce down from cliff edges or tree branches. The sheer power of a lion enables it to overtake prey of equal or smaller size by stealthful stalking until the meal is within close range. Then the cat simply rushes the prey and body slams it.

Downing larger prey, however, requires the cat to utilize its powerhouse finisher. A mountain lion does so by mounting its bigger prey from the side and then biting through the esophagus. The estimated bite force of a lion’s jaw is somewhere around 600 to 900 pounds depending upon the size of the jaw muscles, the length of the jaw bone (providing leverage) and the overall area of the teeth. A human’s bite force, by comparison, is about 180 pounds. The sharp, dagger-like canines and muscular jaws of a lion manage to inflict considerable damage, oftentimes puncturing the jugular vein and almost always suffocating the prey.

[upnorth]

Like I wrote earlier I'm on the fence so hard to believe what you read, but if was truly protecting themselves or livelihood they have every right....What I didn't get is Upnorths comment what's the point of bringing up the drunk driving comment, of course that's a bigger issue, so is heart disease should we lynch Ronald Mcdonald? I didn't understand your point, It's a hunting forum what do you expect for topics, if sombodys in danger there in danger and they have a right to protect yourself or property, if was just killed to kill it that's wrong...

It was pointed out because a few said a cougar makes them fear for their kids/family. The comparison between the two, the comparison is fair.

[crothmeier]

And the Honey Badgers too. They're BA and they don't give a s###.

YES!!!! and EWE, it eats SNAKES TOO!??!

[TonkaBass]

Not gonna say I would kill it, but I would feel pretty uncomfortable if I was in the woods and saw one and I didn't have a gun on me... One in a million it might attack? Maybe, but I only get one life too...

[ac777]

Wow, Seriously, Some of you must live in a fricken fantasy world. If any of you had livestock, and saw it in your grove I think this cat would be just as dead. I dont care what the laws are if this thing is in my yard, its way too close. How many of you on here that dont think this shoulda been shot have livestock? It kinda changes the game. Its not about hunting, or game, or laws, its about survival. And if a $1500-$2000 steer gets taken out, thats a direct hit to you and your pocket book!

[BRULEDRIFTER]

If the state would confirm they are around and they are dangerous that's the fitst step.

Is there any written evidence that the State denies that Cougars pass through MN? There has not been any evidence put forth to prove there is a BREEDING population in MN. That is what the DNR stands on. Whether or not they are right, is the question. Considering there never are reports of any females with pups seen in MN leave me to believe they are probably right.

[ted4887]

If the state would confirm they are around and they are dangerous that's the fitst step.

The state does admit that they are around and that they are dangerous.

http://www.dnr.state.mn.us/mammals/cougar/index.html

[psepuncher]

The state does admit that they are around and that they are dangerous.

http://www.dnr.state.mn.us/mammals/cougar/index.html

please point out where it says dangerous, sorry if I missed it.. And please tell me it's not in an underlying hidden link, that's just as bad as fine print if not worse.

[RBuker]

I never thought I'd see so many people on this forum talking about how supportive they are for poachers. I also can't believe how fearful some of you seem to be. This cat apparently never attacked anyone or any livestock. But, because it's a cat it gets a death sentance? Wow.

There were so many laws broken here. I hope the DNR throws the book at them. Using headlights to spot your game is against the law too. Just one more charge to lay on those guys. I see their car and gun being taken away and justifiably so. This situation is just a shame.

I know a guy who got a ticket for shooting a skunk with a .22 and his headlights. Lost his .22 as well. Wow.

Randy

[walleyehunter80]

I will kill every cougar I see within 100 miles of my house no questions asked, I would be doing everyone in the area a favor.

I would never shoot a bear, wolf, bobcat or lynx but cougars are fair game!

I dare one to cross my path while I am armed

[RBuker]

I will kill every cougar I see within 100 miles of my house no questions asked, I would be doing everyone in the area a favor.

I would never shoot a bear, wolf, bobcat or lynx but cougars are fair game!

I dare one to cross my path while I am armed

And if that happens, I hope they throw the book at you and that you lose your gun, your truck and your first born.

By the way, be sure to post pics like they did down in Jackson county.

Randy

[walleyehunter80]

a cougar will last as long in my yard as a terrorist with a bomb would. The dnr can pry my gun from my cold dead hands

[RBuker]

a cougar will last as long in my yard as a terrorist with a bomb would. The dnr can pry my gun from my cold dead hands

And, they will.

[nofishfisherman]

I see the discussion has had some real worthwhile posts lately. The macho bull snot about how you'd kill every mountain loin within 100 miles, or how it doesn't stand a chance in your yard goes along way toward making all of us look real bad. People like to pin that attitude onto all hunters because one or two rednecks like to spout off.

I don't appreciate these kind of comments being made and having people pin that kind of attitude onto me because I am also a hunter and outdoorsman. I've had to defend my past times to too many people who read that garbage and think all hunters are like that.

If you want to blatantly break a law there isn't anything I can do to stop you but please keep your mouth shut and stop giving the rest of us a bad name in the meantime.

[upnorth]

I will kill every cougar I see within 100 miles of my house no questions asked, I would be doing everyone in the area a favor.

I would never shoot a bear, wolf, bobcat or lynx but cougars are fair game!

I dare one to cross my path while I am armed

And you will whine, cry, pee and moan how the DNR screwed you when they take your gun, truck and fine the hell out of you.

[swamptiger]

Maybe they could start some sort of cougar advocacy program where cougar advocates could be responsible for livestock losses, etc. similar to what the Defenders of Wildlife did out west...

Adopt a Cougar, so to speak...