Looks like N.D. is giving in

[cbrooks]

, Fightin' over shooting bucks from the road...so many to choose from.

I like to call that the "60 MPH sneak"

[cbrooks]

Any Sioux person anywhere could consider themselves impacted by the use of the nickname, and S.D. has far more Sioux people/reservations than N.D.

As much as I heard about the logo for the past decade. I can't remember ever hearing standing rock or any other res any where else commenting on this controversy. Its always been a group on campus against it and thats been the only opposition that I read about.

With this new lawsuit that happen yesterday I wonder what court does this go to? Attach to that lawsuit I heard on the news that the Spirit lake wants 10 million for legal fees!

[Steve Foss]

As much as I heard about the logo for the past decade. I can't remember ever hearing standing rock or any other res any where else commenting on this controversy. Its always been a group on campus against it and thats been the only opposition that I read about.

With this new lawsuit that happen yesterday I wonder what court does this go to? Attach to that lawsuit I heard on the news that the Spirit lake wants 10 million for legal fees!

Yeah, that was my first and most consistent exposure to the issue as well, a group of students/faculty (mostly white but a few Indian) who were pushing the issue on campus.

In my experience, they brought it up in the first place. I never heard anything about any grassroots reservation groundswell. That doesn't necessarily make it a bad thing. I knew those folks pretty well, since most were in the Indian Studies and English departments. Indian Studies majors/faculty were pretty heavily involved in social justice at the time, as well, so it was an issue that resonated with many of the white and Indian students/faculty.

In the early years, I was for dropping the nickname/logo, but my thinking evolved over time. It's been nearly 30 years since I first heard the issue discussed on campus. Now I'm in favor of keeping it, but acknowledge that my desire as a UND alum matters very little compared with the desires of both the tribes in question.

There are Lakota/Dakota people on both N.D. reservations who like the nickname/mascot and those who don't. We know how overwhelmingly the Spirit Lake Tribe voted for it, and a poll showed the same level of support among the people of Standing Rock, but the tribal chairman blocked a referendum. And of course there was the 1969 ceremony from Standing Rock elders granting UND use of the Sioux nickname and logo forever.

So in my mind, both tribes have spoken in favor of UND keeping the nickname/logo, and I see that as the bottom line. White folks fighting on Indians' behalfs for something that doesn't offend most Indian people is a form of arrogance that I've come to find repugnant. I used to think in my 20s that I was fighting for justice for those who couldn't/wouldn't themselves take up the fight. I've only over the last few years come to realize there was no nickname/logo fight to take up in the first place. There certainly are social/racial injustices worth fighting, but the Sioux nickname/logo issue was never one of them.

The lawsuit was filed in U.S. District Court in Fargo, and in the names of both N.D. Lakota/Dakota reservations. It cites the overwhelming support for the nickname among the voters of Spirit Lake, and the 1969 Standing Rock ceremony.

Apparently, the court isn't going to schedule hearing the lawsuit until 2013, so there'll be plenty of time to continue to talk this thing into the ground on Internet forums like this one.

[Bryce]

How about I troll this. Does UND have to report the success of their invited NA students?

[yakfisher]

Report which successes and to whom?

[Bryce]

Got my email from the school that the fight is done. Thought I heard a blurb on scratchy am out here chasing ducks in nodak that said no new name for a couple years per same legisislative decree. Mashing on the like button.

[scsavre]

So now that its over again, maybe. How long do you guys think it will take for the fans to stop using the sioux name and forget about their old mascot. when the mn highschool lost all their native american mascots it lingered fo awhile, but now no body cares. How long do you think it will linger in gf. 4 yrs, 5yrs, 10yrs.

[solbes]

In the Ralph it'll linger forever. I was amazed at all of the Sioux logos that were imbedded in that building when I visited 4 or 5 years ago.

[Bear55]

]So now that its over again, maybe. How long do you guys think it will take for the fans to stop using the sioux name and forget about their old mascot. when the mn highschool lost all their native american mascots it lingered fo awhile, but now no body cares. How long do you think it will linger in gf. 4 yrs, 5yrs, 10yrs.

Good question, I think it will have a lot more staying power than a high school team but I'm not sure it will last forever. Might take 20-40 years but I think it will slowly fade.

[LMITOUT]

Just over 7hrs left before the "Fighting Sioux" is no more.

[LMITOUT]

The Latest...

Fighting Sioux nickname supporters at the Spirit Lake Sioux Tribe responded angrily today to remarks Wednesday by UND President Robert Kelley and Grant Shaft, president of the State Board of Higher Education, who advocate repeal of the state law ordering UND to retain the nickname.

Kelley said the ongoing controversy threatens UND’s entry into the Big Sky Conference and problems in future athletic scheduling and recruitment, and is damaging the university’s national reputation.

That's interesting considering that UND has signed contracts dated Oct 29th, 2010 which made them a core member of the Big Sky Conference...

Something stinks in Grand Forks.

[cbrooks]

There's always been suspicion about the sudden change of hart by UND. The real news in that article is the Big Sky conference playing along. Is it really a fact that the Big Sky really submitted a statement that was prepared by UND? I don't know if I believe that. There's alot of people that has to go along with UND's lie if what this article says is true. This rises some question. Is there members in the state house and senate who are aware of what UND's intention. Does the Spirit Lake nation know that they are being used as puppets.

I have relatives who are NDSU alum who would love for all this to be true. I won't go there LIMT;) NCAA has the final say. They can make life extremly difficult for UND and the Big Sky if any of this is true. Big Sky has too much to lose. I just don't believe any of it.

[solbes]

New jersey for the nameless who skate in green...

[Bear55]

The fighting 1883's, I like it.

[scsavre]

What is ND, Notre Dame.

Cool Jersey, is that the womens, mens or both maybe. I just know I heard that only the womens Jerseys were ready to go.

I also heard that the mens team will be wearing their Sioux jerseys through the season.

[solbes]

My bad, I didn't read the story fully. You're right, that's the womens UND jersey.

[PierBridge]

Thats a pretty sweet Jersey!

Quote:

What is ND, Notre Dame.

No it's North Dakota .... Notre Dame is a good team not to be confused with NoDak-ers ~..

[cbrooks]

I hear that Time magazine just did a story on this. I'll have to see if I can post a link.

[PierBridge]

LINK

[hoppe56307]

Supprised this has not been posted yet

UND

Kelley says UND to resume use of Fighting Sioux nickname

The head of North Dakota's Board of Higher Education says the board may go to court if a law requiring the University of North Dakota to revert to its Fighting Sioux nickname is restored. Also today, UND President Robert Kelley issued a brief statement saying that the university “has resumed the use of the Fighting Sioux nickname and logo for our athletic teams.”

[Bear55]

The lawyers are winning again.

[scsavre]

And the joke continues.

[Bran32]

This will dominate the Fargo sports coverage now for the next month Yippee

[Quackaddict9]

Go SIOUX!

[cbrooks]

The government has no business in getting involved in this.