Daytona

[harvey lee]

I believe NASCAR should just pick straws for a winner as that's all these plate races have turned into is luck.

2x2 with still the big crashes and the majority of the cars heavily damaged.

What a sad race for NASCAR to have.

Might as well have a demo derby and then have a winner.

If you have a fast car, it means about nothing anymore on the plate tracks.

Harvick stated that all this race is is a [PoorWordUsage] shoot and you hope you have alot of luck on your side and you do not destroy ones car.

All LUCK.

Nice race NASCAR.

[jeffreyd]

They need to do something about the whole race is a bump draft, makes for a very boring race. Make them race not to see who can push the other car faster.

[LMITOUT]

It'll get better when the track weathers and it won't be as easy to stay hooked together.

We saw this type of racing to some degree prior to repaving the track, but now that it's smooth with a lot of grip it's a whole lot easier and everybody does it.

[SpitnArgueDuckClub*]

I believe NASCAR should just pick straws for a winner as that's all these plate races have turned into is luck.

2x2 with still the big crashes and the majority of the cars heavily damaged.

What a sad race for NASCAR to have.

Might as well have a demo derby and then have a winner.

If you have a fast car, it means about nothing anymore on the plate tracks.

Harvick stated that all this race is is a [PoorWordUsage] shoot and you hope you have alot of luck on your side and you do not destroy ones car.

All LUCK.

Nice race NASCAR.

OK Harvey I will ask, how would you suggest Nascar fixes the racing at these tracks?

[jeffreyd]

eliminating the bump and draft approach in the last 100 laps, make it a car vs car not a push me along race. Or eliminate it all together. I dont ever remember seeing petty or sr doing these types of races, they just raced. Nascar will loose fans simply because after watching it for so many laps i need to watch something else.

[harvey lee]

Don't run them. There are many driver who say the plate tracks are more luck than skill.

Why run them I ask when all that seems to ever happen is crashing many cars and someone gets lucky.

To me, that's not a good race.

I watched the Twins and after that turned to the race to see who or how many would get wrecked in the last few laps.

It happened again as usual.

No driver out there on the plate tracks can win on thier own with the COT car.

It simply is not good racing and many times the best car or cars do not finish in the top 10.

[LMITOUT]

Better than last week where you had a bunch of guys looking like a fish out of water.

Road courses are more of a novelty than a competition.

[harvey lee]

NASCAR will simply continue to lose fans with races like these.

They cannot afford to lose many more. The die hards will stay but some won't and the new fans will be less and less.

Thier numbers prove that.

[LMITOUT]

Asked why no one made a big move at the end of the race, Earnhardt Jr. grew frustrated. His eyes burning with intensity, Earnhardt Jr. said there was nothing anyone could do.

"What kind of move can you make?" he said. "I mean, Jesus, man! What kind of frickin' move can you make when you're racing like this? There ain't no move you can make. You just hold it on the mat and try not to wreck into each other – and you see how good we are at that."

[harvey lee]

As I stated, all luck and hope you do not crash.

Bring on the demo!! Race fans can watch demo's at thier county fair for about $10.

[motley man]

I agree, the reason for racing in the first place was to let drivers go at it. All cars today are built the same basically. It's time to let them race for it all. To many restrictions on the way they drive. There would not be NASCAR today without the old dirt REDNECK SOUTHERN FOLKS. I mean bootleggers.

[Sifty]

I watched most of the race and it seemed pretty boring to me.

Did anyone hear Kyle Petty saying that the reason for the second wreck was Mark Martin?

I watched the replay a couple of times and still am wondering how that was his fault.

Sifty

[LMITOUT]

It was definitely Martin. He had a lane and a half up top but started coming down and got clipped. I think he even made reference to it after the race that he thought he had 6" or something. I didn't think it was his fault at first either, but then on the replay you could see who was holding their line and who wasn't (Martin).

I can't wait until TNT is done with coverage. If I hear Petty say "lets be honest" one more time...

[HOF#13]

Agreed Harvey...The racing at the super speedways prior to the COT was far from perfect, but I at least enjoyed watching it. What is really sad is that that style of racing is 100 times better than the racing we have at Daytona and Talladega now.

When driver's hang out at the back of the pack for 90% of the race just trying to avoid being wrecked, it is really hard to call that racing. I don't blame them though...

[SkunkedAgain]

They were hanging out at the back of the long lines, prior to COT and 2x2 racing, hoping to avoid the big crashes. There isn't much that NASCAR could do to make the big tracks more exciting except to remove the plates. I'm guessing that even with safety improvements to the tracks and cars in the past decade, they won't get rid of the plates because the media would tear into NASCAR.

Big tracks are boring - fact. Give me a 1/4 mile track any day over Talledega or Daytona.

[LMITOUT]

Daytona and Dega are anything but boring, usually, but I was a little disappointed with the show on Saturday. I have to wonder if its a product of the new point system more than anything which causes drivers to be more conservative than in the past. Either way, as the tracks weather this two-car tandem stuff should be less of a tactic and they'll be back to pack racing soon enough.

[SkunkedAgain]

I'm less worried about the 2x2 driving. I actually think that it's more exciting than the long single file lines. However, compared to short track racing, IMO, the restrictor plate tracks are definitely boring.

[gregg52]

all you crtics of NASCAR should maybe see if they have any openings

being as you appear to know more than they do

how long have they be around ???

i didnt see the race was wacking walleyes

but i bet there was 100k in the stands

but they are losing fans I hear

plate racing is a [PoorWordUsage] shoot no doubt but its part of the schedule

dont run 'em ???//

so the vikes and the twins should play teams and staduims they like

or should we not play the yankes anymore

if you dont like the race use the remote

[trolloni]

gregg ,youre missin the point ,it would of been a good race if the hendricks or childress outfits would have won !

[jeffreyd]

Wow gregg, mistook everything that I said. My point is that if you go back a few years when there was not much of the 2x2 racing, the races were more exciting (in my opinion only) to watch. Watching the race last week was just boring, granted the wrecks were the wrecks, watching two cars hooked up, watching pit crew spray pam on rear bumper, and the same 6 cars each week in the finish gets old. Nascar will be the thing that I do not go running back to, if it is on, great, i might watch it, if housewives of atlanta are on then it will be a close second.

[harvey lee]

Totally agree jeffery.

NASCAR can keep losing fans Gregg with these plate tracks. Heck, the drivers do not like them and they cost the teams alot of money with the wrecked cars all the time. Those plate tracks stink since they went to the COT cars.

I watch usually about the last 10 laps at the most. No need to watch the first boring part as nothing happens. Most of the better drivers just sit back until it's time to go and hope the big one does not happen in front of you.

I do use my remote along with many others.

[HOF#13]

Gregg, do you work for NASCAR? You sure get awfully defensive when anyone says anything negative.

I agree with Jeffrey and Harvey Lee...

I liked this bit by Ried Spencer with the Sporting News...

For argument’s sake, let’s say that I had come to NASCAR president Mike Helton five years ago with a novel plan for restrictor-plate racing. The gist of it would have gone like this:

“Suppose we pair up the Cup cars at plate tracks, one leading and one pushing, locked bumper to bumper, lap after lap. The driver of the pushing car won’t be able to see anything at all, but that’s OK. We’ll have the spotters for both cars working together, trying to tell the pusher where to go and trying to keep the cars together. We’ll give every driver as many radio channels as he needs to maintain contact with everyone else on the track, in case he has to work with someone else he’s trying to beat. We might have to rub Vaseline on the bumpers so friction between the cars doesn’t cause a wreck. We’ll reduce the size of the restrictor-plate openings to the point that two cars will be able to stick together lap after lap. That’ll make sure that two cars drafting together will be about 15 mph faster than a single car. Won’t that be fun?”

Back in 2006, I would have been laughed out of the NASCAR hauler. In 2011, it’s what we have.

[gregg52]

Gregg, do you work for NASCAR? You sure get awfully defensive when anyone says anything negative.

no i dont

but kinda as that article says do you think nascar planned this ???

i think as some one said as the track ages this will go away

what we'll have then ..who knows back to pack racing???

not really being defensesive but when people constantly critize

a very sucessfull business

that has been around for how many years ?? 50 or so

you cant please all the people all the time

you can try

but as you can see on these fourms its hard to get 2-3 guys to agree on one thing everybody has an opinion i guess which everybody is entitle to

as i said before nascar has peaked

and to constantly say they are losing fans because of one or 2 races (well 4)

or because kyle got caught speeding or wrecking people on the track

just doesnt make sense to me

i wonder what these critics do for a living

and if people are on the fourms critizing them

[HOF#13]

no i dont

but kinda as that article says do you think nascar planned this ???

i think as some one said as the track ages this will go away

what we'll have then ..who knows back to pack racing???

not really being defensesive but when people constantly critize

a very sucessfull business

that has been around for how many years ?? 50 or so

you cant please all the people all the time

you can try

but as you can see on these fourms its hard to get 2-3 guys to agree on one thing everybody has an opinion i guess which everybody is entitle to

as i said before nascar has peaked

and to constantly say they are losing fans because of one or 2 races (well 4)

or because kyle got caught speeding or wrecking people on the track

just doesnt make sense to me

i wonder what these critics do for a living

and if people are on the fourms critizing them

I'll agree that NASCAR did not plan this type of racing, and like LMITOUT said, the racing will probably change once the tracks age a bit. In the meantime though, my only point is that I do not care for the 2x2 racing style. I would hope that NASCAR could do something to get rid of it, but not too sure what they would do, or if they are interested in doing so anyhow.

Racing is suppose to be 43 cars against each other, not 21 2 car tandems working together. In all actuality, with these type of races only 21 cars have a real chance to win, and those are the front cars being pushed by the other cars. Just doesn't seem like real "racing" to me I guess.

I also agree that interest in NASCAR has peaked. However, I think it has peaked because 1) the economy and 2) the racing with the COT has become less exciting and entertaining than it was with the old cars. Don't get me wrong the COT was needed from a safety standpoint, but the quality of racing took a big hit IMO.

I realize that it is no easy fix, but they need to keep trying I think.

[GFNER]

I just had to chime in on this subject. Ever wonder why they dont run IROC anymore? Because that's what NASCAR has become! I used to be aHUGE fan, hell my uncle Johnny Boegeman raced Elko with Richard Trickle alot. Sick of every car having to be identicle. Instead how about throwing out some guidelines and let each team tweak their own set-ups like it used to be.(remember the hemi domination?)The ones that experiment more instead of the ones with the most money.If you cheated a little and didn't get caught more power to ya! AMEN