wiring a stove

[Tom7227]

I am being asked by my daughter to wire an electric stove. I have to go about 40 feet from the box to the appliance and to do that I am going to be going across a sheetrocked tuck under garage. I am hoping to be be able to do it with 3/4 in conduct using the pre-made angle devices since I don't have a bender. Could someone give me an idea if this is what is needed or could I use Romex without the conduit? I am expecting to have to use 8/3 wire.

Thanks for any advice.

Tom

[JohnMickish]

Not to start a big ruffle but you do know that you cannot legally wire in your daughters house. You must be the owner and it must be your primary residence.

[JohnMickish]

I'm thinking if you want to edit your question so that you are working on your own house it won't cross any boundries.

[3pronghook]

youre assuming it is not his house. post does not say that. either way, if your ask

ing questions how to wire, call an electrician

[Tom7227]

In fact I am a co-owner, co-signer, co-debtor, but not a cohabitor.

[CAMAN]

If the romex is going on the outside of the drywall then it needs to be shielded in either the gray plastic conduit or metal conduit. I'd recommend the plastic stuff for ease of use.

But like said, if you are unsure of what you're doing call an electrician, especially since you're playing with 220 volt.

[Surface Tension]

Yes to the conduit.

40 amp breaker will protect #8 wire.

No to the 8/3 Romex in the conduit.

Use #8 THHN

4 wires Black(line), Red, White, Green and 3/4 conduit.

Use a 4 prong range outlet.

[BobT]

Yes to the conduit.

40 amp breaker will protect #8 wire.

No to the 8/3 Romex in the conduit.

Use #8 THHN

4 wires Black(line), Red, White, Green and 3/4 conduit.

Use a 4 prong range outlet.

This is assuming that the #8awg. wire is adequate to supply the range.

To Tom. Owning the property isn't enough to legally wire the range. The property MUST be your principal residence also. If you are renting it out or don't live there then you will be wiring it illegally.

Whatever you do, file the affidavit and get it inspected to be sure it’s done safely. I don’t think you would want to be responsible for a fire that might hurt someone because you made a mistake.

[pureinsanity]

Do you have an electrician friend that can just double check your work and would be willing to sign off on it. I am assuming something like this would need a permit pulled?

[Tom7227]

Well I think you guys have convinced me that it is going to become my daughter's problem. I suspect that I could get it done well enough to pass an inspection but I hadn't thought about the renter thing and not sure that liability and risk is worth the hassle. I also hadn't thought at all about the issue of not being a resident - thought that being a co-owner was good enough.

Thanks for the info.

Tom

[BobT]

Yes to the conduit.

40 amp breaker will protect #8 wire.

No to the 8/3 Romex in the conduit.

Use #8 THHN

4 wires Black(line), Red, White, Green and 3/4 conduit.

Use a 4 prong range outlet.

I wasn't trying to second-guess you, Frank, with regard to the #8awg. I am not a licensed electrician but I do know that some electric ranges are rated over 10KW. If I recall, mine was rated at 11KW and so a 40A circuit would not be adequate. I don't have the code book handy and I don't recall off the top of my head if the 8awg cable would be suitable for a 50A circuit. Just thought I'd mention it.

[JohnMickish]

8ga romex is NOT good for 50 amps since you have to use the 60 degree C column. It is only good to 40 amps. Back when I used to shack appartments we used #8 aluminum SE cable for the ranges, at 40 amps. With todays copper prices it makes aluminum look good, but not in my house.

[frazwood]

Not to start a big ruffle but you do know that you cannot legally wire in your daughters house. You must be the owner and it must be your primary residence.

Are you certain about this? A couple of years ago, I did something really stupid and I tried to flip a house (I like to call it "flopped a house" because I lost so much money, but I digress). We put in a half-dozen new circuits. I pulled permits, had it inspected, everything and I had no issues at all with the inspector (and I was clearly NOT living there). In that case, I owned it but it wasn't my primary residence.

I'm asking because I have a lake cabin now and I was thinking of doing some electrical work there... kind of the same deal in that I am the owner, but it's not my primary residence (although I'm not planning on selling it and I reside there more than 14 days a year, so for tax purposes... it's a second home).

[BobT]

Are you certain about this? A couple of years ago, I did something really stupid and I tried to flip a house (I like to call it "flopped a house" because I lost so much money, but I digress). We put in a half-dozen new circuits. I pulled permits, had it inspected, everything and I had no issues at all with the inspector (and I was clearly NOT living there). In that case, I owned it but it wasn't my primary residence.

I'm asking because I have a lake cabin now and I was thinking of doing some electrical work there... kind of the same deal in that I am the owner, but it's not my primary residence (although I'm not planning on selling it and I reside there more than 14 days a year, so for tax purposes... it's a second home).

[frazwood]

Thanks for clarifying!

As I read this, I can do electrical work at my cabin because I own it and I occupy it also (even though it's not my primary residence).

[BobT]

That might be getting into gray areas. I'm not sure what the ramifications would be either.

At any rate, MN law does require state inspection and I do know that the inspector can order your power turned off if you refuse to comply. I also know that he can and will force you to remove sheetrock and other materials to expose the wiring to inspection. A friend of mine tried to finish his garage without filing an affidavit for inspection and the inspector caught wind of it (no not from me). My friend came home from work one day to find a note attached to his door from the inspector that said if it wasn't inspected within X days, the power would be disconnected from his home. He ended up removing sheetrock to expose the wiring.

[CAMAN]

That might be getting into gray areas. I'm not sure what the ramifications would be either.

If it were illegal they wouldn't give or sign-off on the permit you would need to get.

[MNice]

If it were illegal they wouldn't give or sign-off on the permit you would need to get.

Not so sure.. I just got an elec permit for my basement workshop. The inspector told me he would not see the paperwork from the State for 3 to 4 months. I had him do a rough in and final, all switches & outlets are in, all wire exposed as well as the sub panel. I asked how he can sign off without a permit, he just said they are beyond behind, and He would keep track with his own file.

[BobT]

For the record I'm not trying to be a know-it-all or mightier-than-thou pain in the neck. Just sharing what I have learned over the years. A person may get away with things and may not but I figure it's good to know what the risks are before hand. I may not agree with the rules and I do disagree with some of the code I run into but I'm not king so I can't change them myself.

[CAMAN]

If it were illegal they wouldn't give or sign-off on the permit you would need to get.

Not so sure.. I just got an elec permit for my basement workshop. The inspector told me he would not see the paperwork from the State for 3 to 4 months. I had him do a rough in and final, all switches & outlets are in, all wire exposed as well as the sub panel. I asked how he can sign off without a permit, he just said they are beyond behind, and He would keep track with his own file.

But that is only paperwork from the state, the inspector still needs to know who did the work and if they are licensed if it isn't the homeowner.