white tail caliber ?

[shortfatguy]

For that gun I would say .308 win. The short action calibers feed much more smoothly than the longer calibers. It would make that gun much more reliable. So hands down in that gun you just can't beat the .308

I agree with going with a short action but I would take the 300 WSM

[jay83196]

Thanks fun topic to talk about... I looked into the 308 vs 30-06 but the 30-06 has a slight higher balistics both in energy and velocity with in the same exact rounds and it has a wider range of ammo I looked in stores and have several books 30-06 are lighter down to 55 grain (if I wanted to varmint hunt) up to 220 grain the 308 doesnt offer those and seemed to have little less selection also (as far as I could find anyway) so it seemed to me the 308 had no advantage over the 06. If I'm mistaken or missed something let me know.

[BobT]

Jay:

As an example/list of possibilities that may or may not shoot well for you.

Remington Ultra Bonded PSP

Federal Premium Sierra Gameking

Winchester Supreme Ballistic Silver Tip

This is just a few as there are plenty others out there. These are available in the 150-180 grain bullets and also available with other premium bullets as well. Pick your poison that works well for your gun.

My 30-06 used to like the old Red box Federals and grouped them quite well. Shot many a deer with those and I still like the belt shell carrier that came with the box at the time.

Good luck,

WG

For short-range use such as hunting in MN I'd avoid the ballistic silver tips. I have found that unless you hit bone they don't expand and the exit hole is the same size as the entrance. Fortunately for me, my shot placement was good and I didn't have to go far to find my quarry but had I not hit vitals, I would have left at least two deer wounded for wolf bait.

[swamptiger]

It's true you can get the 30-06 bullets up to 220 grain. What 55 grain bullet is available for the 30-06? I know they used to make the 55 gr. Accelerators for both the .308 and the 30-06, but I haven't seen them for a while.

In your first post, you said you were looking for a deer gun for up to 200 yard shots, so there isn't any need for the heavy bullets for that. The 30-06 does have a slight ballistic advantage, and with the heavier weight bullets you could use it for bigger game. The new .308 BAR in the camo is a couple ounces lighter than the 30-06 - no big deal. The .308 cartridges are shorter than the 30-06, so they might cycle better in an auto, but probably not noticably. If you like a 30-06, I'd say go for it.

[WalleyeGod]

Bob:

What caliber and what distance were those deer shot using the Ballistic Silvertip?

WG

[MUSKY18]

I shot Ballistic Silvertips in my 270 for a couple of years. THey seemed to do a good job on the deer I shot with them, however, when I switched to Fail Safe, it was a much better bullet IMHO. Expanded better after penetration.

The thing I really like about the Winchester Supreme Ammo is that they make the CPX2 for deer and smaller game, and then you can buy the CPX3 rounds, which are made for bigger game such as Elk and Moose. More penetration before expansion.

[BobT]

Less than 50 yards. Typical short-range shots you encounter in the north woods.

[jay83196]

Like I said just seemed to be no advantage to the 308 I didn't think they were much if any shorter either for cycling purposes either but maybe they are? MAybe the 55 accelerators are not available pay them in a book I have on balistics, just weighting options between 308 and 06 and pay them among others not avail for 308, atleast they were not listed in my books. Ultimately not sure what if any advantage 308 would have, less recoil? I'm an auto 30-06 isn't much anyway, several people mention the 308 so I did some looking and compared.

Thanks, its fun to discuss and read opinions if we can hunt we can talk about it...

[swamptiger]

Without actually measuring, I guess between 1/2 and 3/4 inch difference in the length of the two cartridges.

[WalleyeGod]

yeh, half inch.

Bob: With a 30-06 caliber? which grain bullet if so?

Thanks,

WG

[jay83196]

Lol, typed that last one on my phone and my spell check jacked it up bad...is the 308 fatter caseing then?

[BobT]

The bullet I was using was the Winchester 180gr. Silver Tip. I now primarily use 150gr. soft point and get much better results, better accuracy with my Winchester Mod. 70 bolt, and less recoil to deal with.

[WalleyeGod]

Jay:

No.

Thanks Bob.

WG

[candiru]

I have a chart that shows recoil of various rounds. A 308 has about 25-30% less recoil than the 30-06. It does this while only giving up 100-150 fps at the muzzle, an insignificant difference. It also has less recoil than a 270. To me less recoil means more practice and better shot placement. I will take that over a few extra fps any day. From what I have heard the 7mm-08 low recoil round that gets the job done. With todays quality bullets I would not hesitate to go after elk or moose with a 308 or 7mm-08. Particullarly the Barnes TSX.

[jay83196]

It's actually a little more balistic increase than just 100fps or lbs of energy depending on ammo at 100yds but I get your point. MAybe I'm just used to the higher recoil with my 7mm or 30-378 my buddy has 30-06bolt action its not bad and the bar will be even less as a semI auto so recoil isn't my concern I'd rather have the performance and little better variety of bullet.

THanks

[jay83196]

Thanks any opinions on scopes, leaning toward zeIss conquest 3+9+40 looked at alot and for cost $400 just can't be beat, looks nicer than most much more expensive any thoughts?

Thanks

[MrCrappie]

You'd be very happy with a .308 winchester in semi auto. Bigger than .270 with shorter action, lower recoil, and better bullet selection.