Trading or releasing T-Jack by Friday?

[FISHINGURU]

5 yards past is pretty bad...i can't remember a qb goin that far past line of scrimmage and throwing the ball...i don't think stinkpepper even did that one...especially when he had the easy 1st down if he would of just kept running...he was already half way there with no one around lol.

even worse was the ref that couldn't even clearly see cassel was 2 yards past even with instant replay and slow motion.

you guys ever heard of the IT factor? to be great or excellent you have to have IT...junkson doesn't have IT....he can be mediocre, sometimes even decent, but he's to inconsistant with up and down games though...you just have to wonder which junkson is gonna show up today....2,3,4, more yrs down the road he might know the playbook....coach can't call the plays and loosin the reigns if the qb can't execute the play...lets not forget brad johnson and gus ferotte are both a little less then stellar qb's also.

they say junkson has learned about 50% of the playbook in his 4th year.

if you haven't noticed this team has been built to win right now...not a handful of more years down the road IF junkson ever develops.

but none of it matters when the pressure is on and you look like a deer caught in the headlights.

i'd be willing to bet favre audibles all the time.

[FISHINGURU]

reguardless if your a jackson, booty, or sage fan, it's gonna be interesting to see how this all plays out.

we have to cut the roster to 75 players sept. 1, then we have to cut down to the 53 man roster sept.5.

do you think we'll actually go into the season with 4 qb's with all the other position battles going on? i've already seen some good talent out there that we are gonna have to cut already.

[fishin58]

Pier, THESE chuckleheads will never get it...one poster had it right and I have said it before, after Bert then what? If we have OUR groomed QB traded away, do we go to TENTH year man SAGE or Rag-arm no experience Booty...not goin to elaborate anymore because it is not worth my time. They are close-minded as it gets on this subject......p.s james I spent all day yesterday watching Ground Sages greatest hits and games.......wait no I didn't that would be a COMPLETE waste of time!!!!!! But I have seen enough Rosencopter to last a lifetime.

[FISHINGURU]

Pier, THESE chuckleheads will never get it...one poster had it right and I have said it before, after Bert then what? If we have OUR groomed QB traded away, do we go to TENTH year man SAGE or Rag-arm no experience Booty.

you act like 10 years of experience is a bad thing....then u get on booty for not having experience even though your argument for junkson the past 4 years is he doesn't have the experience yet lol.

there are alot of great qb's that were said not to have a strong arm...what they did have was a brain and knew how to throw with touch.

there's also been alot of qb's that didn't make it even though they had a rocket arm and were athletic.

comes down to the IT factor.

[PierBridge]

James from Rochester just called into KFAN with a pretty good question, was that you James? PA's asnswer was a little drawn out but I was hoping for a follow up question but he didn't give you the chance!..LOL

Go Vikes!

[Rick]

There are 3 guys on this forum who think Jackson should be the QB, and a whole lot of people who think Sage CLEARY should be higher on the depthchart. I know thats hard for you to comprehend because none of them stated in writing they thought he clearly should be the starter, but its CLEAR that they feel this way.

There you go again, shooting from the hip stating your feelings, right or wrong, when we really need to see perfomance from our QBs. Not a bunch of feelings from you based on your obviously biased Sage film room reviews.

I'm CLEARLY for the best QB to start. If that's Sage so be it. I've seen him play enough. He's a darn good back-up QB who may turn into a good QB. T-Jack may or may not be the same. We only have a little more than a seasons worth of games from a developmental QB (T_Jack) to judge from. He was darn good the last time I watched and Sage was no where to be seen.

T-Jack is clearly getting better each time he goes out. Anyone who says differant clearly has their credibility they are trying to protect.

[Rick]

they say junkson has learned about 50% of the playbook in his 4th year.

comes down to the IT factor.

Ah yes, FGs favorite source they

and his new term for "HIS Feelings" IT

[Mudcutter]

I know alot out there hate Jackson,, but Favre is maybe only the answer for a few games this year. Especially if he stays in the pocket and gets rocked like he did agst KC. No way Favre makes a scramble to the right and hits Shancoe in the zone. TJ has impressed me so far IN THE PRESEASON. Alot more Football to played before the season starts,, but we would be stupid to trade TJ right now. I do think he adds an element to the Vikes off WITH FAVRE, that def can;t prepare for.

IF FAvre goes down,, the opposing DEF would have to adjust to a running QB-- somethin I don't think TJ does enough off.

It's not like our OFF is bulit totally around the pass.

[Badger]

I know alot out there hate Jackson,, but Favre is maybe only the answer for a few games this year. Especially if he stays in the pocket and gets rocked like he did agst KC. No way Favre makes a scramble to the right and hits Shancoe in the zone. TJ has impressed me so far IN THE PRESEASON. Alot more Football to played before the season starts,, but we would be stupid to trade TJ right now. I do think he adds an element to the Vikes off WITH FAVRE, that def can;t prepare for.

IF FAvre goes down,, the opposing DEF would have to adjust to a running QB-- somethin I don't think TJ does enough off.

It's not like our OFF is bulit totally around the pass.

Another brilliant post Mud! I see you figured out how to post a standard Avatar. Try real hard, and I bet you can cut and paste an original....maybe Kampman!

[FISHINGURU]

[quote name="Rick

comes down to the IT factor.[/quote"] Ah yes, FGs favorite source they

and his new term for "HIS Feelings" IT

[PierBridge]

Originally Posted By: Mudcutter

I know alot out there hate Jackson,, but Favre is maybe only the answer for a few games this year. Especially if he stays in the pocket and gets rocked like he did agst KC. No way Favre makes a scramble to the right and hits Shancoe in the zone. TJ has impressed me so far IN THE PRESEASON. Alot more Football to played before the season starts,, but we would be stupid to trade TJ right now. I do think he adds an element to the Vikes off WITH FAVRE, that def can;t prepare for.

IF FAvre goes down,, the opposing DEF would have to adjust to a running QB-- somethin I don't think TJ does enough off.

It's not like our OFF is bulit totally around the pass.

Another brilliant post Mud! I see you figured out how to post a standard Avatar. Try real hard, and I bet you can cut and paste an original....maybe Kampman!

Hey Bagder... just a suggestion... your contrived BIT was one of the more refreshing things in the Football forum here at FM. Originally you offered a rather interesting, insightful and open minded analysis of NFL football in general with fair and balanced criticizem and praise of both the Vikings and Packers football organizations.

If your going to resort to cheap shots and the usual bashing of us Minnesota sports fans and our opinions like Mudcutters pretty accurite take above, why bother logging out of your real identity and log-in as Badger guy we get of enough the same ole same ole silly stuff.

Just a suggestions...

[gr8icefishinmind]

Make that 4 T-Jack fans......i've just kept a little more quiet cause in reality none of us really know what the kid is capable of! I really enjoyed your post AWH......it is fun to see how stubborn some are with the fact that T-Jack is a good qb and yes it does take time to develop a qb sometimes!!! And unfortunatly qb's do make mistakes, actually every player at every position makes mistakes...some more than others! Hopefully favre doesn't make any mistakes this year or he will public enemy #1 in the state of minnesota!

[fishyguy]

Add my wife to the mix. That makes 5 T-Jack fans.

Personally, I am not sold on T-Jack but he is not nearly as bad as most make him out to be.

[Mudcutter]

1 or 2 more preseason games like the one TJ had and the pressure is on FAvre before the season even begins.

Truth be told,, I LOVE FAVRE--- but I don't know if his body can take the beating anymore. After 6-8 games-- I do hope the Vikes are 5-1 or 6-2,, otherwise I expect FAvre to falter. I think TJ can do it,, but like others have said, then the pressure is really on following a sure HOF.

The shots he took agst KC were full out lay-outs. ANd that's in 7 snaps,, you know he's going to get hit being how long he holds on to the ball. BUT-- he seems to be pretty tough. But that runs out with age.

[Born2Fish]

I myself, once again, would like to point out to all you T-Junk Lovers(which i will from here on out refer to as TJLS) on how great he looked last year in the playoffs. I know at least one will bring up the #1 defense arguement. But if we want someone to win us the games that COUNT, don't we need him to at least win the important games(and not one insignificant preseason game?) I know ALL of you TJLS have at one point cursed T-Junk when he has played games(lets call this bandwagon jumping, being it's another term being thrown around quite loosely), and there have been quite a few.

[gr8icefishinmind]

Haven't we all cursed at players we like at one time or another? Pretty sure i cursed the heck out of adrian peterson last year when it was fumble after fumble, but it happens, players make mistakes!! But we did not give up on him! Granted we all know that AP is the man and T-Jack is unproven! You can't just give up on a player when you know he can play and you know he has an upside......we just haven't seen the full upside yet but I am willing to wait instead of dumping him to have a 1 year, possibly 2 year, qb in favre and more than likely not winning a super bowl, then starting over again. Favre will not make it through the full season, and if he does make it through it'll be just like last year with the jets! I'm excited to see favre play with the running game we have, it has HUGE potential but i do not see it lasting the season!

[james_walleye]

Pier, THESE chuckleheads will never get it...one poster had it right and I have said it before, after Bert then what? If we have OUR groomed QB traded away, do we go to TENTH year man SAGE or Rag-arm no experience Booty...not goin to elaborate anymore because it is not worth my time. They are close-minded as it gets on this subject......p.s james I spent all day yesterday watching Ground Sages greatest hits and games.......wait no I didn't that would be a COMPLETE waste of time!!!!!! But I have seen enough Rosencopter to last a lifetime.

If we had a groomed QB then Sage wouldnt have been traded for, they would have just grabbed a backup from free agency.

Another great post by a guy who has never seen Sage play. Lots of credibility flowing here. Constantly jumping in on a subject in which you know nothing about one of the people being debated. And yet we are the ones who are closed minded LOL. I really don't know how you think anyone here should take you the least bit serious in this subject. Your trying to make an arguemet against a QB you have never seen play.

[gr8icefishinmind]

So in the whole grooming a qb debate.......compare T-Jacks first 3 years (going on 4) to Throwsandfalls (sorry had to steal that one) same time period! HUGE difference.........it's all about development! Sage had 1 decent season in 07 where he threw 15 td to 12 int in nine games, last season was 6td to 10 int! Nothin spectacular there, and that was in his sixth season and after five years of not starting!! Not many qb's can come right out of college and light it up especially coming for a D-2 school! It takes time and of course we want to win NOW but i'm pretty sure that AP isn't going anywhere soon nor is jared allen or keving williams! Our team isn't going to change much personel wise in the next few years! So once again after two dissappointing seasons, cause without a superbowl they will be disappointing, then what? Sage is basically unproven as well!! He had a couple of ok seasons but also had a decent core of receivers including a stud in andre johnson!! It helps to have some decent receivers which the vikes haven't had in a while, berrian is good but dropped ALOT of easy catches last year as well as the rest of the group of receivers. It sickened me to see all the drops last season and then the blame goes right to jackson which he was not deserving of! But it is always the qb's fault isn't it!?!?!

[james_walleye]

A 9th year QB traded to a team for a 4th round pick. QB number two is 5 years younger and has a trade value of maybe a 6th or 7th rounder according to the general consensus. Speaks volumes about what the NFL thinks of the 2 QB's doesn't it?

[Rick]

A 9th year QB traded to a team for a 4th round pick. QB number two is 5 years younger and has a trade value of maybe a 6th or 7th rounder according to the general consensus. Speaks volumes about what the NFL thinks of the 2 QB's doesn't it?

It's all about the timing of the trades. No team wants to trade for a starting QB at this time. A 4th round pick for Sage isn't exactly a ringing endorsement. Might want to think that one through a bit further.

[james_walleye]

No one is trading for a starting QB Rick. The Rams were stated as being interested in him as a backup. If you think that somehow last March Jackson would have commanded a 4th round pick your nuts. I'm not trying to make a ringing endorsement for Sage. Simply pointing out what the NFL thinks of a 4th year QB.

[Rick]

No one is trading for a starting QB Rick.

No kidding .....Really

[james_walleye]

Originally Posted By: james_walleye

No one is trading for a starting QB Rick.

No kidding .....Really

Ok i'll spell it out for you. If your trading for jackson your not trading for a starting QB.

[fishin58]

James is running on ....runing on empty...I always loved that one. So you been stalking me james, how do you know I haven't watched every minute of Ground Sages career? You rant and rave about how TJ, has had every opportunity? You don't think dufus Sage hasn't been given a shot in 9 years? Get REAL!

[Rick]

Ok i'll spell it out for you. If your trading for jackson your not trading for a starting QB.

LOL,

Again, that's stating the obvious. Spelled out or not. I already said no team is trading for a starting QB right now, whether that's Jackson, Sage or Booty