Guests - If You want access to member only forums on HSO. You will gain access only when you sign-in or Sign-Up on HotSpotOutdoors.

It's easy - LOOK UPPER right menu.

Sign in to follow this  
Followers 0
hey__bob

Lake Washington 6/28

24 posts in this topic

Mankato Area Bass Tour is having a tournament on Lake Washington by Mankato on Sunday June 28th.

Hours are 6:30am - 2:30pm.

Cost is $200.00 per team of 2 anglers.

Official off-limits is on Tuesday 6/23 at 9pm.

Sign up at the Westwood ramp at least 1/2 hour before the tournament starts! Boat checks start at 5:30am.

Contact Bob at 507-665-6957 (home) or 612-387-8110 (cell) for more information.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I would love to fish this tournament this year but I have a big bachelor party out of town the night before. I have been catching some nice fish out of Washington this year. Good luck to everyone fishing it.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Tough windy day on Washington today. Sure not the bags of years gone by.

1st - Che/Johnson - 13.84

2nd - Schmidke/Morgan - 12.10

3rd - McCurry/LeBarron - 10.19

4th - Jeffries/Joens - 9.78

5th - Pittman/Bohlen - 9.14

Big Bass - Schmidke/Morgan - 5.56

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Full results and current standings are posted on the BestBassFishingInfo tournament page and I will submit the top 5 to the classic location this week.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

If you can't fish the t.o.c events unless you fish all tournaments what is the point in assigning points to the teams that can't fish? seems that if a single entry team finishes well enough they can bump people down that have payed for all year?

just my 2 cents!!

can you tell me where I finished yesteday?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

oh god tough is an understatement!!! Had 2 really good patterns going last 2sday, one shallow, one deep, we drew 16 out of 20 and went with the shallow pattern and got burned, the winning team had the same pattern and spot so hats off to them. And also sheepheadslayer, you guys are consistant, also katoguy and duh wink Schmidke and Morgan took 2nd and had a 5.56 whale for the day that just about matched our limit.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Points are just that...points. If you finished 10th you get points for a 10th place finish. They add up for your final finish for the year. Free entry for finishing 1st after all points from 4 tournaments added up. It doesn't matter who finished above you. The points they are assigned for finishing in that spot (1st or 15th) are the progression down to the last place team for that tournament and will have no effect on the year end standings.

A single entry team will not be in the TOC, a team MUST fish all events to be invited.

I have fished many different series and tournaments over the last 20 or so years and this is ALWAYS the way points are figured (on a tournament by tournament basis). You get points for where YOU finished end of story.

This is the first year I am doing this and I may make a mistake or two but this is unreal.......no one is getting slighted by this and it is in fact a benefit. The more single entry teams, the better the pay out. 1/4 of each single entry fee is added directly to the TOC pot.

I will take a vote on cutting down the field to 10 teams for the TOC but EVERY team and EVERY person MUST agree to it or it stays as written in the rules.

My apologies for not getting a full field this year, I quess I should have stood on a corner and begged people to get in......

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

1ST - Che / Johnson 13.84lbs

2ND - Schmidtke / Morgan 12.10lbs

3RD - McCurry / LeBarron 10.19lbs

4TH - Jeffries / Joens 9.78

5TH - Pittman / Bohlen 9.14lbs

6TH - Sheeler / Sheeler 10.06lbs

7TH - Goettlicher / Leesch 8.00lbs

8TH - Shetka / Hauer 7.28lbs

9TH - Simon / Hoffman 7.20lbs

10TH - Meyer / Meyer 6.86lbs

11TH - Johnson / Slack 6.86lbs

12TH - Howland / Lohre 6.86lbs

13TH - Hogan / Hansen 6.56lbs

14TH - Burch / Dunn 6.52lbs

15TH - Jensen / Hodapp 5.70lbs

16TH - Sprague / Capouch 5.66lbs

17TH - Mitchell / Radermacher 5.56lbs

18TH - Miska / Braith 3.28lbs

19TH - Gruzke / Grunzke 0.00

20TH - Van Camp / Ryg 0.00

Big Bass -Schmidtke / Morgan 5.56lbs

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

CURRENT STANDINGS 6/28/2009

1st - Pittman / Bohlen 196

2nd - Schmidke / Morgan 193

3rd - Goettlicher / Leesch 191

4th - Meyer / Meyer 190

5th - Shetka / Hauer 189

6th - Jeffries / Joens 188

7th - Howland / Lohre 187

8th - Simon / Hoffman 184

9th - Johnson / Slack 183

10th - Burch / Dunn 182

10th - Sheeler / Sheeler 182

12th - Jensen / Hodapp 176

13th - Mitchell / Radermacher 172

14th - Miska / Braith 169

_________________________

15th - Che / Johnson 100

16th - McCurry / LeBarron 98

17th - Robison / Robison 89

18th - Hogan / Hansen 88

19th - Sprague / Capouch 85

20th - Gruzke / Gruzke 82

21st - Van Camp / Ryg 82

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

hey bob !

points are are just that ! points that are awarded to non circuit anglers creates a points gap! it's not there fault people that finished below them sucked mud!

Im not complaining, just don't want any suprises at the end.

there are a few grey areas thats all.

Don't apolagize it is not your fault the economy is in the pot.

there were plenty of teams that knew about this circuit well in advance

Your the director at some point your going to half take some heat, thats why you have a free entry.

not because you have a scale and can do a little paper work that, [PoorWordUsage] is easy.

any way it is what it is.....

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Just stating my point...didn't mean to rant (had a rough night). I can handle the heat and this would certainly be easier if the field was full and everything was cut and dried, but it's not this year. I am open to any and all suggestion but it has to be fair across the board for everyone.

A few guys want the TOC cut down....I will be calling everyone and let the results be known at Lura.

The places that are paid down are based on the number of entries in each event. I would love to pay down 6 spots but that means less for the top teams and a small check for the guys in 5th and 6th.....I will ask opinions on this as well.

The points can be adjusted but I don't see how it will effect anything in the end. I have never fished a circuit that the points only counted for a team that fished the full circuit....once again I will take a vote.....

Expect a call soon to discuss these issues...I am trying to make this fair and even for everyone while still providing a decent pay-back with the light turn outs.

Like I said, I am new but I also need to take a stand on the rules. But I am also open enough to take a vote on some/all of this stuff.

If there is anything else anyone wants to bring up, please be ready when I call you. I do not want to have to go back and do this over with a new set of grey areas.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

The tournament format is perfect. Points system is fine also. The rules state based on a full field. The TOC format was fine until we didn't get a full field. This should of been discussed at the first tourney before it even started. I think everyone is very happy with the payouts the way they are right now. I truley believe you will have more people upset if it isn't cut than if it is. If you are gonna have it be unanimous I am sure it will stay the same as it seems you personally are against it. Nothing meant by that at all. Thats your opinion and yours should matter more as you are the tourney director. In the end what ever happens no hard feelings here. I think you are doing a great job being it your first time running a league. It is what it is in the end its all about getting out and having fun in a lil competition!

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

thats true its all about having fun... all i wanted to do was fish not cause a big problem.....

Che Johnson

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

These tourneys are to be fun. If one doesn't like the tourney rules, I would suggest to not fish it.

When money is involved it typically takes alot of the fun out of it if one lets it.

The rules are typically the rules and when enters they also need to follow them.

I,m really lost on this one.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Che,

The problem is not with you guys winning at all....I welcome you to fish any and all the tournaments you would like to get into. The issue does not involve you guys or anyone else for that matter. Just a difference of opinions and the fact that it wasn't brought up until after the first event...hard to change now but I will take a vote.

I will also remain neutral in the voting as I have made my opinion known.

No worries....and nice showing on a tough day!

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

che,

I certainly not pointing fingures at you or really anyone in particular for that matter. I guess I should'nt have said any thing it does not matter any longer,I 'm not sure I even cared that much about it. lets move on. great job by the way!

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Congrats Che, 2 in a row is very impressive. Hope to see you in as many as you can make.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

So we take a vote on all this on Lura? End of story no more of this, we fish, have fun, welcome new teams, and have fun grin No "thank you's" needed Che, you guys earned it and hope to see you guys on Lura, tell some kato guys to add to it and possibly fill this thing up!

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!


Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.


Sign In Now
Sign in to follow this  
Followers 0



  • Posts

    • Well Molly doesn't have any snow on her.   You been drinkin?  
    • 70 pages dealing with Donald Trump and I can't find much that says anything on the positive side, of course in the past year and a half he hasn't said much that's been positive either.
    • @Neighbor_guy    Oh, I think the dismount was memorable too. 
    • I have fished for trout in my home waters for fifty-five years. The places I call home are the waters of the Wisconsin driftless area. Trout are my favorite species to chase. The trout of my waters have fluctuated over my more than a half century of fishing. Trout are instinctual creatures.  The big wily brown trout are my quarry.  They are portrayed as superior entities when in fact they have a brain the size of a pea. Do you want the keys to the castle?   I have seen many trends and fads come and go in the trout world.  This fancy rod and that special fly have cycled through a dozen times in my lifetime. Anglers come and go and so do the latest new fangled trends.  The constants in the trout world are the seasons and good old Mother Nature.  If you want a real leg up on those trout you should pay attention to the seasons and the changes they cause in the trout’s environment.     The weather in Wisconsin can be a harsh mistress.  The extremes are the norm here.  We could have twenty inches of snow on the ground and below zero temperatures and what seems like a blink of the eye in Wisconsin it changes.  The snow could melt and the next time you go fishing it could be radically different.  You need to roll with the seasonal changes and modify the way you fish and where you fish.

        This frigid morning in January was shaping up to be a “skunk” outing.  My friend was cold and told me he had enough and wanted to head back to the vehicle.  I talked him out of heading back.  We had taken the stream temperatures earlier and we hadn’t found a one reading over thirty-six degrees.

      The outdoor temperature was twenty-six degrees and not looking like it was going to warm up.  I had scouted this area prior and our fishing was going to get better I told him.
        Do you see the log laying on the right side of the stream?  Just on the other side of the log is a tiny trickle feeding in.  This trickle is a tiny spring.  Springs run year round here at about forty-two degrees constant.  Where that spring fed in caused a six degree temperature swing just downstream.  That little trickle made the stream bearable for the trout.    I have found many trickles during the early season when the grass is down that I cannot see even a month later due to weed growth.  It was like the Bahamas in that halo of the spring.  We caught seven trout in that tiny spot. Many feeders are not easily found during the summer.  They are covered up by weeds.  You can only discover them when the weeds are down in winter or early spring. I emphasize the word trickle here because they may be tiny and you will miss them if you are not looking for them.   My friend Andy and I fished this exact hole in September.  We both caught four trout each in this bend in September.  We couldn’t buy a bite in March.  What was different now?  First off the water temperatures were in the sixties in September and in the middle thirties in March. Trout lay in different areas during cold and warm conditions.     In Wisconsin winters the trout are in survival mode.  They need to find good lays where they don’t have to expend too much energy to hold in place and wait for food. The calories required to hold in place in this cold fast water is a negative formula for calories gained. This shallow fast current hole is great when the water temperatures are in the sixties and the trout can hide in the broken fast water.  In thirty degree water this holding place has no one home.  I would look for the deepest water either direction for two hundred yards.  This is where the trout would winter.
      One picture says a thousand words.  It was twenty degrees below out this day. The water temperature at this spring head tells the tale. It measured at forty degrees.  I like to call these Bahamas causing the water temperatures to fluctuate. A thermometer is a must to get a leg up on these instinctual creatures. This spring is a glaring thermal. 

       Many anglers discount some thermals because they are not so obvious.  A swamp is nothing more than a spring spreading out and they have the same properties as a small stream emptying into a larger waterway.  There does not need to be an obvious entry point to these swamps causing thermals.  They can leech through the surrounding banks and make their way into your stream.
        I am going to stay on thermals but switch seasons.  The temperature fluctuations you found to indicate where to find the wily trout in winter holds true in the dog days of summer.  I went with a Natural Resources crew to do a shocking.     The stretch we were to shock was a non-designated area way below typical trout water.  Even on a typical summer’s day in Wisconsin this waterway was almost too warm to fish in it.  Many anglers considered this “frog water” and dismissed it.  What a giant mistake they were making. 

       When water temperatures are near seventy degrees, it is recommended not to fish for trout.  It plain and simply puts too much stress on the fish and raises the mortality rates to an unacceptable risk for the trout.  Streams that are warmer have less dissolved oxygen in them.  Trout caught in water near seventy degrees have a hard time recovering from a battle due to the lack of oxygen.     I was in charge of the thermometer and Garmin on this trek into frog water with the fisheries folks.  Every thirty yards I was asked to take the temperature and write it down with the GPS coordinates. I was asked to submerge the thermometer at least halfway to the bottom to take the readings. I needed to hold the thermometer in place for ten seconds. I also was advised to make sure there was no secondary warming from my hands holding it.  The lead worker said the trout actually live in the lower half of water columns. The water temperatures hovered around seventy degrees at first.  We did not shock up trout in these areas.   We started to shock up some trout.  They were smaller fish.  I took the temperature and there was a slight change.  I looked around for a spring or a feeder creek.  There were none to be found. The fisheries staff told me to take more frequent measurements and log them. They were trying to prove a theory they had. I measured every ten yards on this stretch.  The temperatures continued to go down. The water temperatures were in the low sixties now and we were shocking numerous trout to the surface.  It was quite amazing how the numbers and sizes of the trout increased as the water got colder on this stretch.   We shocked up some true monsters from this waterway and then they just vanished.  The alpha or large predator trout had the lays in the coolest hides.  I could not see anything feeding in.  It was a true mystery to me.  There was a swamp about thirty yards from the stream.  It had no obvious entry points.  I followed my thermometer to its access point.  The swamp leeched into the stream and the only tell tale evidence was found with my thermometer.  

       The only visual evidence was softer banks that extended a couple of feet toward the swamps near the coldest points and these were my thermals.  I would not have discovered them without my thermometer. You can guess where the biggest brown were shock up correct?  Their noses were stuck right in the area where the trickles fed in.   I fish with many folks and they must grow weary of waiting for me to quit messing with my thermometer. Some stretches I fish regularly I leave my thermometer in my vest because of my historical data. My friend Dan Braun and I took a break during the midday of fishing due to water temperatures being too high and dangerous for the trout.  The outside temperature this day was eighty-eight degrees.  Dan took a temperature check at this spring head and it measured forty degrees. It is amazing to see a light bulb go on when another angler finally figures out why I am fiddling with my thermometer.
        The next time you fire up your computer check out the thermometers for sale.  There are many new and trendy versions.  There are many kinds.  I believe a keep it simple purchase is in order.  A bungee cord to hook them to your vest is a must purchase. A durable thermometer with easy to read numbers is what I carry. 

       I have been drawn to marginal frog water for over half a century now in Wisconsin’s driftless area.  My photos of big browns don’t lie.


       
    • Moose is staying home with no ice
    • Those "extended warranties" are mainly a cheap scam. The small print will ruin your day. And buying one AFTER  you have have the vehicle for a while compounds the mess.  Don't do it.
    • Til the end of my days, I will never understand why the northern states don't just stay open til January. What's it gonna hurt?
  • Our Sponsors