Triple 7 -- 209 Primers

[lawdog]

I bought some of these yesterday to try out. Have heard lots of good things about the cleanliness, but wondering if anyone has noticed any difference in performance or if its changed where your gun shoots at all? Thinking it possibly could with a different burn rate/temp. Obviously I'll shoot it at the range before I use them, but just wondering if anybody has any experience with these new primers?

[Moose-Hunter]

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I bought some of these yesterday to try out. Have heard lots of good things about the cleanliness...

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Let's face it... Muzzleloaders are dirty guns any way you slice it. I found the T7, 209 primers to be just a bit cleaner than others, but not by much.

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any difference in performance or if its changed where your gun shoots at all?

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I have noticed no difference in performance with these or any other 209 primers. However, my buddy, who recently converted his 70ML from #11 caps over to the 209 primers has seen an increase in both accuracy and performance. Tighter, more consistant grouping as well as having his gun slightly cleaner.

Some even consider the 209 primers as being "too powerful" and say there is a possibility of "unseating" your load. Meaning when the primer ignites, it pushes the charge and projectile up a bit before completely igniting the charge. Some folks have even gone so far as to convert their ML's over to fire .25ACP cases/primers or trimmed down .22 Hornet cases/primers insyead of the 209's. To me, going these steps seems to be a bit over board. You'd litterally be reloading your primers. I may try this type of conversion some time in the future as it does sound sort of interesting. But for now.... I'll stick with my 777, 209 primers and make some smoke!!

[Jim916]

Are you talking about the Winchester triple 7 209 primers?

I bought them when I bought my gun last week and I shot them this weekend. I did have a problem with 3 misfires, but it could be user error. It was my first time ever shooting a muzzleloader.

When I had a misfire, I would replace the primer and it would work. I was thinking I might have got some moisture in the breech plug as I did my cleaning between shots.

[xedge2002]

Jim - when I am out shooting my muzzleloader, I will shoot off a primer after cleaning it(primer only no powder). That way it should dry it out and if any crud got pushed into the firing hole it will blow it out.

[delmuts]

hmm! i switched my daughters' 50 over to triple seven powder , and i use the 209 primers. had no problems. the T-7 was cleaner to use than pyrodex. accuracy ? very little difference. i also fire two caps thru the gun before loading it.no miss fires on the range or when my daughter shot two does! del

[lawdog]

Yes I was talking about Winchester Triple 7 209's. I think the idea was they are a little less hot than a regular 209 and they are supposed to eliminate a burnt "ring" that some guys were getting with Triple 7 at the ignition site. I've not seen it in my gun but hey I'm always up for a new gimmick...

I too agree, Triple 7 is WAY cleaner than Pyrodex and it stinks much less too! Regardless what you shoot though, these babies need TLC all the time...

[leechlake]

Lawdog, I tried them last year and I was skeptical but they actually worked. In my knight I got the "ring" thing, even when I used a hose to shoot water down the barrel I had to scrub a bit (not too much but a bit), they winchester primers with the less heat nearly eliminated it. I can't tell if the gun shot better groups but it was a bit easier to clean and as much of a pain in the rear cleaning a blackpowder is anything helps.

[DRH1175]

I use the Rem Klean bore ML primers. I like how they perform They seem clean and make good smoke. Don't see a reason to change and they are pretty cheap anyways at $4 for 100. I like them.