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buzbunni Experienced

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Another aspect to this is that people over react, my mother is a good example, she doesn't ice fish, and whenever I leave its a crisis, last weekend there was 8 inches of good ice and she was paranoid, her reasoning is one person went through 100 miles away, so no ice, anywhere in the state, is safe, for the rest of ever.

LMAO (and printing this out for Mom). Oh yeah, I'm thankful she cares. Mom's get a free pass ya know smile.gif.

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Heres my take:

That Guy wasn't saying that all ice is safe right now, in fact he said no ice is ever completly safe, but what he was getting at is the harrassment and false reports of the media is getting out of hand.

To many people believe every word the media says but thats another topic that has nothing to do with this forum, a good reason I can see for the media giving the ice conditions some coverage is people who don't fish or know about ice. They will assume if one person is out in one spot that the whole body of water is safe.

When I go out on the ice I have a spud bar with me and it gets 2 good hits every other step until there is extensive 4 wheeler traffic around, then I feel safe walking out. Don't jump on me for saying that, thats my standerd, when there is four-wheeler traffic I feel confident that I won't go through walking out, but I don't trust areas with current or narrows still.

Another aspect to this is that people over react, my mother is a good example, she doesn't ice fish, and whenever I leave its a crisis, last weekend there was 8 inches of good ice and she was paranoid, her reasoning is one person went through 100 miles away, so no ice, anywhere in the state, is safe, for the rest of ever.

Caution is great, use it, but if you don't know about the conditions don't critize what other people do.

I was pleasantly suprised today when I went out to check the ice that there was 6 inches of good stuff still around, but don't take my word for it, go out for yourself and look, and be careful.

Good Post!

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Excellent post and I agree 100% I've recieved a few calls this year while ice fishing 9-12 inches of good clear ice from people calling to tell me "the news says" the ice isn't safe anywhere in the state. It's good, in a sense, that they are trying to keep people safe, but I want to meet the reporter that went and checked ice. The reporter that did the research to stake those claims. Not the reporter who saw 40 degree temps and (Contact Us Please)-U-MEd the conditions weren't "safe." There is "safe" ice out there. I've been fishing it for a little over two weeks now and have had some excellent days. Contact resorts, they know what they're talking about. They won't just say its safe to get you there. Also, check for yourself. Drill as you go. It's ok to air on the side of caution, but please don't give us ice fisherman lectures on how stupid we are. I know what I'm fishing on, do you?

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It does amuse me that people ON SHORE are yelling at people ON ice that the ice is not "safe"...who do you suppose at that moment are the informed ones?!

The best response is to yell back "I can't hear you! Come Closer!!!"

The media only aims to clear out the uninformed from the ice. If they are going to post a report to stay off all ice due to "Unsafe Conditions" because 1 person on a 4-wheeler or in a truck went through, they had better put out an all points bulletin to stay off all roads at all times; I would be willing to bet there was at least 1 death somewhere this morning due to vehicular accidents. And be sure to stay out of all downtown areas due to a death by shooting within the last week.

Am I so wrong here? An EXTREME minority of people are going onto the ice, and this shock-style news is aimed at the majority that stays on dry land. Read between the lines.

Be careful, check the ice regularly, don't push it, STAY INFORMED of conditions PERSONALLY; never by advise from elsewhere.

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please don't give us ice fisherman lectures on how stupid we are.

I don't mean to point this directly at you or anyone on this site but I have seen some really strange ideas about what is safe and what isn't.

One friend of mine used to go out on the ice wearing floatation. Has anyone on this site ever fallen through the ice while wearing a life vest? Please explain how difficult it is to get back on the surface.

Ever sleap on a waterbed where the temperature was set a bit too low? I did once and I was barely able to get out of it the next morning because my joints were so stiff I could barely move. Drop yourself into 30 degree water and you don't have very much time (minutes) before your body begins to stiffen. Getting back on the surface even if you have a means to hang on to the wet and very slippery ice will become about impossible in a few minutes. Falling in with a life jacket on may at least allow rescuers to find your body easier because it will still be on the surface.

Even thick ice can be dangerous. I remember one time I was fishing in the spring on 2 feet of ice. I had a habit of drilling a hole half way through the ice to set my auger in. This particular day, when I went back to retrieve my auger I discovered the hole was full of water. The ice was honeycombed and water was permeated through it. Needless to say, I left post haste.

I doubt any fisherperson that has fallen in feels today that they knew better. Last year when the ice was still relatively young, the north end of Osakis was over 12" thick for about the first couple hundred yards but out further and one found only about 4". Anyone driving out in a car was a potential victim. Fortuntely I don't recall hearing about anyone dropping in.

A few years ago a bombardier from a resort on LATW went through 3' of ice in late January because of a 6' wide fracture that had refrozen and become snow covered over night. The only survivor was the driver from the resort. I wonder if he asks the question, "I know what I'm on, do you?" Of course in this case, there were no warnings.

It's arrogant to believe that because warnings are being posted that one would think they know better and are above the warnings. I hope I don't have to be the one to risk my life and fish you out. Try not to take it personally. Maybe, just maybe, someone really cares about your safety.

Bob

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I think the general public would eventually get bored with *dont drive, the roads arent safe*.

These people standing on shore ever give on thought while calling an emergency line that it might hinder an emergency situation if someone does fall through the ice?? Emergency services, or the 1st on scene(usually the police) might get there 10+ minutes later if they are pursuing another ice fisherman telling them to get off the ice because people keep calling 911.

Maybe the media should stress on reporting some guidelines for ice travel.. make people aware of the needed ice thickness for walking.. Then much of the non-informed general public can walk by and yell to us and ask *how much ice*, rather than *get off the ice*, and call 911.

But, theres no element of danger and it doesnt sound as exciting as a 4 wheelr/sled going through somewhere pulling a 14' x 70' trailer across the ice and breaks through at a pressure crack, or spot that was open water the day before on very early ice.

I am not saying that all accidents are contributed to foolish decisions, and misinformed ice travelers.. but I bet half the accidents wouldnt happen every year if some daredevils didnt get in too much of a rush, and other people didnt act upon assumption rather than knowlegde of actual ice conditions.

As far as I am concerned, most ice accidents are avoidable, especially ealry ice. Any person has no business being out there unless they are checking ice conditions and know exactly what they are walking on. And to take a atv/sled out there just because some other crazy took theirs out.. thats insane. The DNR says 5" for atv travel.. thats fine, but how many lakes have perfect, uniform 5" of ice on the best of ice making years? None. Common sense should make a person wait for a little more, and know the ice conditions in the area they are going to travel until the ice is considerably thicker, and the potential thinnest spot should be well over 5" of good ice.

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please don't give us ice fisherman lectures on how stupid we are.

I don't mean to point this directly at you or anyone on this site but I have seen some really strange ideas about what is safe and what isn't.

One friend of mine used to go out on the ice wearing floatation. Has anyone on this site ever fallen through the ice while wearing a life vest? Please explain how difficult it is to get back on the surface.

Ever sleap on a waterbed where the temperature was set a bit too low? I did once and I was barely able to get out of it the next morning because my joints were so stiff I could barely move. Drop yourself into 30 degree water and you don't have very much time (minutes) before your body begins to stiffen. Getting back on the surface even if you have a means to hang on to the wet and very slippery ice will become about impossible in a few minutes. Falling in with a life jacket on may at least allow rescuers to find your body easier because it will still be on the surface.

Even thick ice can be dangerous. I remember one time I was fishing in the spring on 2 feet of ice. I had a habit of drilling a hole half way through the ice to set my auger in. This particular day, when I went back to retrieve my auger I discovered the hole was full of water. The ice was honeycombed and water was permeated through it. Needless to say, I left post haste.

I doubt any fisherperson that has fallen in feels today that they knew better. Last year when the ice was still relatively young, the north end of Osakis was over 12" thick for about the first couple hundred yards but out further and one found only about 4". Anyone driving out in a car was a potential victim. Fortuntely I don't recall hearing about anyone dropping in.

A few years ago a bombardier from a resort on LATW went through 3' of ice in late January because of a 6' wide fracture that had refrozen and become snow covered over night. The only survivor was the driver from the resort. I wonder if he asks the question, "I know what I'm on, do you?" Of course in this case, there were no warnings.

It's arrogant to believe that because warnings are being posted that one would think they know better and are above the warnings. I hope I don't have to be the one to risk my life and fish you out. Try not to take it personally. Maybe, just maybe, someone really cares about your safety.

Bob

I'm pretty sure he just said "please don't give us ice fisherman lectures on how stupid we are." but maybe I just misinterpreted it. wink.gif Better not leave the house today, someone could mow you down on your way out to pick up the paper, too, as safe as you think your sidewalk is.

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I planned this past weekends trip with the media hype in mind. Had the ice picks around the neck and the lifevest along. Not a soul on the lake, so I actually popped a hole quickly, 6" of ice, good to go. But I still wore the lifevest, not 'cause I was worried about falling thru, but to keep people from harrassing me. I figured if it looked like I somewhat knew what I was doing, the cops or any worrywart would leave me alone. And they did, but so did the fish. Time for a new spot.

That bare ice really looks scary to the general public, so it's easy to for the media to hype it up, put 2" of snow on the lakes and the hype and fear factor will diminish. It will still be dangerous in spots, but you will find people all over the ice once it doesn't look so scary.

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Most of us ice fisherman truly understand how dangerous the ice conditions can be. The only thing that we can be certain of is that each person has their own interpretation as to what "safe ice" is. A person whose winter hobbies consist of sitting indoors, is going to be only using the information that the media is portraying to make their own judgements. These are probably the same people who are calling 911 and tying up the emergency phone lines.

This is something that can be disputed until the end of the world and there will never be any agreement reached between the general public. We as ice fisherman need to however realize that regardless of the time of year, we need to use caution while on the lakes. If we have even the slightest doubt as to if the ice looks "safe enough" you should probably stay off.

Be careful out there!!

CA

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Duffman.. I have been leaving my spot alone for a while, the bite had been happening earlier the last couple times out. I have other spots I will be heading out to very soon, maybe even today to see if the tip-up wants to show some action, then jig up a few eyes closer to sunset.

I avoided my closer to shore area for a while during this warm weather.. I didnt want to draw the attention of desperate ice fishermen ready to drop a line anywhere.

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please don't give us ice fisherman lectures on how stupid we are.

I don't mean to point this directly at you or anyone on this site but I have seen some really strange ideas about what is safe and what isn't.

One friend of mine used to go out on the ice wearing floatation. Has anyone on this site ever fallen through the ice while wearing a life vest? Please explain how difficult it is to get back on the surface.

Ever sleap on a waterbed where the temperature was set a bit too low? I did once and I was barely able to get out of it the next morning because my joints were so stiff I could barely move. Drop yourself into 30 degree water and you don't have very much time (minutes) before your body begins to stiffen. Getting back on the surface even if you have a means to hang on to the wet and very slippery ice will become about impossible in a few minutes. Falling in with a life jacket on may at least allow rescuers to find your body easier because it will still be on the surface.

Even thick ice can be dangerous. I remember one time I was fishing in the spring on 2 feet of ice. I had a habit of drilling a hole half way through the ice to set my auger in. This particular day, when I went back to retrieve my auger I discovered the hole was full of water. The ice was honeycombed and water was permeated through it. Needless to say, I left post haste.

I doubt any fisherperson that has fallen in feels today that they knew better. Last year when the ice was still relatively young, the north end of Osakis was over 12" thick for about the first couple hundred yards but out further and one found only about 4". Anyone driving out in a car was a potential victim. Fortuntely I don't recall hearing about anyone dropping in.

A few years ago a bombardier from a resort on LATW went through 3' of ice in late January because of a 6' wide fracture that had refrozen and become snow covered over night. The only survivor was the driver from the resort. I wonder if he asks the question, "I know what I'm on, do you?" Of course in this case, there were no warnings.

It's arrogant to believe that because warnings are being posted that one would think they know better and are above the warnings. I hope I don't have to be the one to risk my life and fish you out. Try not to take it personally. Maybe, just maybe, someone really cares about your safety.

Bob

The fact is these media reports are hurting resort business because people think there isn't safe ice anywhere in the state. Are you going to tell me some reporter sitting in an office, who has probably never fished (let alone ice fished) in his life knows better than somebody who's ran a resort on the lake for 20 years? I think not. Thus why I said know what you're fishing on, consult resorts, and drill as you go. I'd be willing to bet stupidity is more the problem of people going through. People who don't check. They see one person out so think they the whole lake is safe. Or, from what I heard about a wheeler going through Isle bay because he was riding around by the bridge, or the one that went in cove because he was unfamiliar with what he was doing and went up by the rocks in 1-3 feet of water where the rocks had absorbed heat and deteriorrated ice. No ice is safe, ever. But with precautions, research, talking to resort owners, and yes, drilling and checking depth as you go, you too can have a safe, fun day on the ice.

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That Guy....

I put in some time at my spot, 1 perch for six hours of fishing, you'd think a guy would move. grin.gif

Stuck it out till dark and had some toothy critter snip me off at dusk, I don't think it was a walleye though.

Not a soul on the lake, except for the cookoo's nest escapee who walked right by me in tennis shoes while dragging a six foot stick. I said "Howdy", and just got a deranged look from the guy. Bummed me out for a second, but I figured I could dance circles around the guy in my creepers and take care of business if I had to. cool.gifsmirk.gifcool.gif The thrills of city fishing. grin.gif

I'll be back out sometime this week after work, but I'm trying another one of my spots, this first one has been a big letdown so far this year.

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Buzbunni, I know, mom gets a free pass, but she also sets her self up for some good examples.

Now I'm trying to convince her it is ok to miss first hour to go ice fishing tomorrow morning and, "c'mon, I'm a senior and its only physics." Isn't working out to good. O well Christmas break is right around the corner.

Be safe eveyone, the best line I've read so far is know what your fishing on. Makes good sense, don't ever go out and be suprised that there is less ice than you though, I'f your questioning it, check before you make it out to water that is more than waist deep. At least if you go through then, getting out is relitivly simple, been there, done that out ducking hunting one day.

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