Gordon vs. Kenseth

[JohnMickish]

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[LMITOUT]

You ever wonder if the championship chase was a factor in Gordon spinning out Kenseth? Kenseth is just double digits behind Gordon's teammate Jimmie Johnson (also part owns the car) and it makes you think if there may have been alternative motives other than just going for the win since he is so darn "hungry". Sure seems convenient.

[NAPAFISH]

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Too bad the 4 time champion has become a lowly

brooding cheapshot artist, hell bent on revenge for some

percieved wrong doing. The #24 could have passed Kenseth cleanly.

He Had plenty of time, plenty of track, and a much stronger car.

I don't buy the lame excuse that "Kenseth checked up""

As for payback from bristol ??

He got free shot at Kenseth (the shove), he got

a public apology from, and admission of wrong

doing, from Kenseth. Was payback necessary ??

Myself as well as every one at Chicago Land

could smell the stench of the "new gordon", evident

by the resounding boo's.

Go #17 !!

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Exactly.

[NAPAFISH]

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Quit your crying 17 fans you OLD MILWAULKEE'S BEST ICE LIGHT is getting salty.

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Actually OLD MILLWAUKEE and MILLWAUKEE'S BEST are different beers. Found in the same section but stilll different beers. Any warm blooded #17 fan would know this.

By the way they ARE gross!!!!

[TNFL]

I thought they may be different but since I don't purchase them I didn't know.

[Sutty]

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You ever wonder if the championship chase was a factor in Gordon spinning out Kenseth?

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No Johnson is firmly in the chase and since the points for the most part are reset I don't think it has anything to do with points.

Rub-in's-Racin so I heard in a movie once.

Public appologies are just PR for Nascar. Racing people how they race you is how you fix things on the track.

I am tired of peaple crying about "nascar should send them to the back" or penalize them. You have to hit someone pretty hard and make it obvious to draw nascars attention under green. If you play bumper cars under yellow thats differant.

The drivers are in charge of policing themselves and thats how it should be. If Mark Martin or someone that drives as clean as he does gets spun out and wants to yell about it in front of the cameras thats fine he has earned that right by driving clean. If someone like Kenseth starts whining right after he did the same thing he is complaining about he looks like a fool. That goes for Stewart, Gordon, Busch, Busch and all the rest that occasionally but consistantly get into other racers.

[TNFL]

Right on, what he said.

Tony was whining again this week.

[lawdog]

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Rub-in's-Racin so I heard in a movie once.

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Actually, what you heard was one of the all time great quotes, from one of the all time worst racing movies as far as real racing goes:

"No, he didn't slam into you, he didn't bump you, he didn't nudge you. He rubbed you. And rubbin', son, is racin'."

[Sifty]

Sutty that was very well put.

The drivers know who they can race with and who they have to stay away from.

Sifty

[Sutty]

I suppose I should also point out that I am a fan of the #24 Dupont Chevy driven by Jeff Gordon and will be driving all the way across Wisconson (Kensethland) this weekend to fish Salmon on Lake Michigan.

[Uncle Bill]

Mabey someday gordon will earn the respect

Kenseth has, and there will be a gordonland.

[OUTDOORNUT]

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Mabey someday gordon will earn the respect

Kenseth has, and there will be a gordonland.

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I think there is a small community in SW MN around Luvern that claims to be the cloesest thing to Gordonland in the upper Midwest.

[smallies24]

Alrighty, time to step onto my soap box for a bit. I have a sincere question. Why has the Kennseth/Gordon incident generated so much buzz? I do believe Gordon intended to hit Kennseth (he could have slowed with Kennseth) but the verdict is out on whether the actual spin was intentional in my opinion.

Now we have 7 pages on this thread and it is hardly the most blatant or severe incident of the year. Why is there so much hatred towards Gordon? I understand he doesn't have the 'awe sucks' persona of others but he can drive well and for the most part keeps his driving clean (there are exceptions and I recognize that).

For example, we only got 4 pages out of Stewart running Kennseth into the grass at Daytona. That was a spin that could have easily resulted in someone getting injured when he came back accross the track. Yet some could say no more than 'ya, but he sure can drive'.

Stewart (and I'm not trying to only pick on Stewart) put people in danger and there's less hoopla than at Chicago. We even have people keeping insane tallies of Gordon's every conduct with another car (while adding ridiculous adjectives to every incident to attempt make the situation seem more severe). Any driver outside of the Labontes and Mark Martins would have a similar tally but know one takes the time to recognize it, why? And why is there so much more talk about these incidents then 5 yrs ago?

Why not even mention Waltrip unexplicably ramming Robby Gordon at Loudon (this year) or the half dozen incidents that happen every week. It's racing, there's big money involved and I don't care who they put in those cars, some will lose there cool. There are everyday people with a talent for racing, not Gods incapable of anger or rage.

Now I'll step back off my box for a bit and wait for some (hopefully) objective responses. Cheers!

[Sifty]

The only answer there is smallies24 is that it is Jeff Gordon.

The driver that you either like or dislike. I really think there is little inbtween with him.

Just my two cents.

Sifty

[harvey lee]

People love to hate a winner.I have wrote this before.Go to any race track and you will see the guy that wins alot,booed every time he wins.You know when your getting good when you win wnd they hate you.

[PikeBayCommanche]

How many championships has Kenseth won???

Oh yeah nevermind.. I agree that everyone hates Gordon because he is good. There is no question there are alot dirtier drivers out there but when Jeff does it, its that much worse for no reason.

Oh well. Hopefully he can continue to run good and stay in the chase.

[LMITOUT]

I don't believe him winning has ANYTHING to do with it. He gets boo'd because he's egotistical and has the open-car background with no appreciation of what NASCAR was before he came into the sport. In other words...a dink. Plain and simple. He doesn't have the attitude or personal qualities that make you want to cheer for him. I guess you could say he doesn't fit into the NASCAR driver mold that fans are accustomed to. Winning just makes it worse obviously, but it would be different if he was someone you could relate to and be more personable. That's why he gets boo'd.

[PikeBayCommanche]

You think people like Dale Sr. weren't egotistical. Yeah right. I don't think people were fans of his because of his warm and friendly attitude. They like him because he won! They don't like gordon because he is a california pretty boy and can't figure out how it was possible that he could come in and dominate NASCAR.

As far as what fans are accustomed to, NASCAR is growing rapidly and to expand that base you need other drivers that are out of the "norm".

Anyways I just like racing and enjoy seeing it grow.

[Sutty]

Since Jr. is the only driver with a bigger fan base than JG I'd have to say your argument doesn't hold much water. And a lot of Jr's support came from his dads fan base.

[LMITOUT]

Doesn't hold water? I think it's waterproof as that's exactly the reason why he's the fan favorite. Why do you think that Sr's fans moved to Jr.?? Because he's just like one of the guys that goes hunting, fishing, etc. and Jr. is just like his old man.....Not all spit-shined and pretty like these open wheelers that couldn't make it in an Indy car.

Jr. is someone that you could go have a beer and shoot the breeze with on a Friday night at the lake. He relates to the NASCAR fanbase and could be right there in the stands rather than on the track and fit right in. Gordon is completely opposite...thats why there is the level of dislike. Who wants to cheer for a robot? I....am.....Jeff....Gor....don.

not me.

[PikeBayCommanche]

Your right about being alot more like the rest of us but personally I just like watching them racing so what they do of the track doesn't really influence it that much even.

I guess i just don't take it that seriously i mean after all most of it has to do with the car and it is just racing.

[LMITOUT]

Yeah, I agree! I like the down to earth guys myself and so does the majority of the NASCAR demographic.

[Sifty]

You will always go with the guy that is most like you. That's what you like about him.

It just get's back to I like my driver and not your's and when your driver does somthing to mine I really hate your driver for a week.

Then the next week I hate the new driver that did somthing to my driver.

That's why the off season is so hard you have to dislike a driver for three months.

The fan base is ever changing with new drivers and drivers moving to new teams.

Look at what a change in attitude has done for Stewart. He was one of Nascar most hated drivers. His people get with him and tell him to change his attitude and look what it has done for his fan base.

Sifty

[TNFL]

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Look at what a change in attitude has done for Stewart. He was one of Nascar most hated drivers. His people get with him and tell him to change his attitude and look what it has done for his fan base.

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I think just being buddies with the chosen one is what helped his fan base. It doesn't surprise me that since #20 and #8 worked together at the plate races suddenly most of the #8 fans now like stewart.

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You will always go with the guy that is most like you. That's what you like about him.

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I guess that must be true. I am not an inbred-hick, so I like jeff Gordon. Thanks for clearing that up Sifty. I just like to be able to actually understand people when they speak.

[LMITOUT]

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You will always go with the guy that is most like you.

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Yep, I'm not going to pretend to be somebody I'm not, and I'm also not a mindless robot so I suppose that's why I don't understand Jeff......Gor.....don.