Gordon vs. Kenseth

[NAPAFISH]

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NAPA, you just are clueless and obnoxious, I don't know know why I'm even responding, but honestly your post is missing some serious reality dude...

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Here is some reality for you!!!!!!!!!!

Then there are Jeff Gordon's Greatest Hits, particularly revealing in light of the Earnhardt-Terry Labonte Bristol melee -

BRISTOL, AUGUST 1993 - Punted Rick Wilson into the wall.

DAYTONA 500, 1994 - Hooked Todd Bodine head on into the wall in Chicken Bone Alley (the final quarter of backstretch); the wreck gobbled up five cars total.

WINSTON 500, 1994 - Went three wide in the trioval and crowded Greg Sacks into Todd Bodine; eleven cars were wrecked and Mark Martin drilled two guardrails and a catchfence.

DIEHARD 500, 1995 - Hooked Ken Schrader into a sickening tumble down the backstretch; eleven cars destroyed.

WINSTON 500, 1996 - Hung Mark Martin into the wall exiting the trioval; both spun and fourteen cars crashed; Ricky Craven ripped open the fencing atop Turn One and was hit by a spinning Elton Sawyer.

IROC, CHARLOTTE, 1996 - Hooked Steve Kinser; both spun, Kinser T-boned in six-car melee.

DAYTONA 500, 1997 - Crowded Dale Earnhardt into wall entering the backstretch; Earnhardt spun into Ernie Irvan and Dale Jarrett and flipped; Irvan's hood was disloged and injured three spectators.

PONTIAC 400, 1997 - Sideswiped Ernie Irvan under yellow; Irvan blew a tire after the ensuing restart.

WATKINS GLEN, 1997 - Jumped the final two restarts and received no penalty.

DIEHARD 500, 1997 - Halfway down the backstretch, Gordon swerved down two lanes and bodyslammed John Andretti; he then spun into Dale Earnhardt and Sterling Marlin, wiping out 21 cars. Gordon claimed the left rear tire blew to start the incident, though such an incident on a straightaway has never caused cars to change lanes before; video replays are inconclusive. Sterling Marlin disputed Gordon's account.

ATLANTA, NOVEMBER 1997 - Coming out of the garage, Gordon lost control and blindsided the parked Pontiac of Bobby Hamilton.

IROC, DAYTONA, 1998 - Field was three wide for second. Gordon hooked Tom Kendall into Randy LaJoie and the wall. He then jumped the final restart and passed on the left before the stripe to win. Racecaster Jack Arute told me the following Sunday that that crash cost Gordon all respect among his fellow drivers.

TEXAS 500, 1998 - Shoved Rick Mast and John Andretti into the first turn wall, detonating a ten-car melee.

NAPA 500, 1998 - Slammed Morgan Shepherd into first turn wall.

IROC, DAYTONA, 1999 - Punted Rusty Wallace into Dale Earnhardt Junior and Eddie Cheever. Wreck also involved Jeff Burton.

JIFFY LUBE 300, 1999 - Sideswiped Rusty Wallace into fourth turn wall. He then punted Dale Jarrett throughout the final lap, leading to the now-famous garage confrontation afterward.

The list is a work in progress.

[harvey lee]

If we are real honest with our selves,Earnhardt was good,but a hack move is a hack move.I never liked it when Sr. did it and I dont care for anyone else doing it either.

Either you are a clean racer or you are not.Its that simple.

When Sr started racing some other racers thought what kind of a nut do we have here.He did some very dumb moves on the track.But it sold his name and goods,just like Gordon.

Nascar does not mind this as it creates alot of talk about it and gets more to view the race next week to see what happens.

Iam sure if we made a true list of Sr.s move it would take a few pages.

[NAPAFISH]

This thread is about Gordon and Kenseth.

Dale Earnhardt is dead, not relevant to this thread

[lawdog]

You are not relevant either NAPA, but you keep coming back...

[JohnMickish]

Wrong, it's very relevent because what you herald Ernhardt for you crucify other drivers for the same thing, and that makes your argument irrelevent.

[harvey lee]

I thought this thread was talking about cheap moves on the track.I mentioned Ole #3 because he made plenty of them just like some of the other racers today.Like stated before,many people thought that the 3 could do it but its not o.k. for anyone else.As stated above,a hack move is a hack move.It doesnt matter who did it.

[NAPAFISH]

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You are not relevant either NAPA, but you keep coming back...

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Now you have to get personal. Real Classy. I took no personal shot at you.

[NAPAFISH]

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NAPA, you just are clueless and obnoxious, I don't know know why I'm even responding, but honestly your post is missing some serious reality dude...

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Another attack on my intelligence. I am a dumba$$ if I dont kiss the feet of MR Gordon

[NAPAFISH]

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Wrong, it's very relevent because what you herald Ernhardt for you crucify other drivers for the same thing, and that makes your argument irrelevent.

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I think you have the wrong person. Show me my post where I herald Dale Sr. I would crucify anyone who makes a hack move

[JohnMickish]

NAPA, if you are not a fan of the #3 then I am sorry I accused you of it. I just assumed (yes, I know what it means) that since you are a Gordon hater that you had to be a Ernhardt lover. If I am wrong then please accept my appology.

You are right, a hacker is a hacker but there isn't a guy on the track that hasn't done it.

And I am very impressed with your black book of notes on Gordon.

[LMITOUT]

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ATLANTA, NOVEMBER 1997 - Coming out of the garage, Gordon lost control and blindsided the parked Pontiac of Bobby Hamilton.

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That has to be my favorite!

There is a slight difference between Big E and Gordon spinning someone out:

When Big E did it, it was cool just because of who he was....the Intimidator

When a dink does it, it's not.

That's not only my feelings but the majority of the NASCAR fanbase. Just the way it is. Deal with it. I don't forsee less pop cans on the track anytime soon either because of that.

[lawdog]

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And I am very impressed with your black book of notes on Gordon.

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It comes from the IamsojealousofJeffGordon HSOforum hosted by frustrated NAPA employees who haven't seen their car anywhere near victory lane in years or a championship EVER!

Actually it speaks to his greatness that every mistake the guy ever makes gets chronicled for those who want to diminish his accomplishments. All the greatest are boo'ed and hated when they are too good for most to handle!!!

[harvey lee]

You are so right Lawdog.Go to any race track and find a driver that wins alot and he will be boo'ed by the whole grandstand.You know when your doing well when they all boo you.

[PierBridge]

I love it, finally something to make me watch a Nascar Race this year.....

Oh!!! I hope Gordon takes a couple more REDNECKS out this week.

[TNFL]

OK, I finally finished the watching the race last night on DVR. From what I saw it did appear Kenseth slowed down. Gordon probably could have avoided the wreck but didn't. And I don't blame him. If he had braked and went back 5 or 6 car lengths he would have been dealing with the aero stuff again. I would say they are even now after bristol.

[OUTDOORNUT]

And here I was worried we were all starting to get along too well!!!

[harvey lee]

All you have to do is start talking about the 3 or 8 or 24 and the yipping begins.Like dumping gas on a fire.Go Jr.

[jbtwins24]

ya so its kinda sad and stupid for people still sayen how big of a cry baby he is, i mean gosh, who was the one cryen on sunday??! i think mostly every driver out there that gets spun out crys these days. it seems like every that complains about someone crashing another on this message thing is cryen too. racing is racing it is what it is no matter what. lets see you get out there and do what those drivers do and when you get spun out you can cry about it too then.

[jbtwins24]

so i dont get what you just said there so your sayen that earnhardt is a great driver or is he the the selfish one?? i do remember at least 6 differet races in the past where earnhardt put a bumper on them and spun them out in the final turn.

[Uncle Bill]

Too bad the 4 time champion has become a lowly

brooding cheapshot artist, hell bent on revenge for some

percieved wrong doing. The #24 could have passed Kenseth cleanly.

He Had plenty of time, plenty of track, and a much stronger car.

I don't buy the lame excuse that "Kenseth checked up""

As for payback from bristol ??

He got free shot at Kenseth (the shove), he got

a public apology from, and admission of wrong

doing, from Kenseth. Was payback necessary ??

Myself as well as every one at Chicago Land

could smell the stench of the "new gordon", evident

by the resounding boo's.

Go #17 !!

[TNFL]

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hell bent on revenge for some

percieved wrong doing

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yeah, 17 didn't do anything wrong at bristol

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a public apology from, and admission of wrong

doing, from Kenseth

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Doesn't seem so percieved now, does it. It's unfortunate that all problems can't be resolved with a "sincere" apology. As far as I'm concerned there are still a few people the 24 owes for example #20, #29 (road course a few years ago) and probably a few people that owe gordon one as well. Its racing. "He drew first blood" as Jon Rambo would say. Quit your crying 17 fans you OLD MILWAULKEE'S BEST ICE LIGHT is getting salty.

[Eric Wettschreck]

And this, my friends, is why I'm getting really really really really turned off by the soap opera that Cashcar has turned into. 5 pages of this guy picked on that guy, that guys a dink, this guy sucks, my guys great and your guy is a loser. And Cashcar's eating it up cuz they know it's going to sell tickets and sponsorships and endorsements and commercial time and who cares about the actual racing because "As the track turns" is on.

I didn't see the race but I saw the "Spinout" plenty of times on Sportscenter. Here's the way I see it.

If Kenseth checked up, and Gordon had plenty of time and plenty of track to get around, as was mentioned before, and he hit Kenseth instead he's either not as good a driver as a lot of people think (doubtful on that one) or he took a cheap shot at another driver (easier to believe). Spin a guy out on purpose and yes, I'll say it, it's a cheap shot. Anyone besides Lawdog out there drive race car???? You like gettin spun out on purpose???? What if he hurt the dude he spun out???? Sure, chances are that he would have just spun, but there's no guarantee on that one. Intentional spin out is a fancy term for cheap shot.

Payback???? Gimme a break. Arn't these fellas supposed to be the best of the best of the best stock car drivers out there??? Professionals????? I'm sorry fellas but professionals don't let the "Heat of the moment" get to them, nor do they accept that excuse from other so called professionals. This is supposed to be the best stock car racing out there, not the bomber class at the local fairgrounds dirt track on Friday night.

For the most part, they're all a bunch of whiney a$$ed little brat cry babies.

Old Mil is good beer.

[TNFL]

I'm sorry I upset you.

Back to the corner for me.

Whats with the "cashcar" i actually prefer "napcar" cause the hummmm of the engines usually puts me to sleep for an hour or so on sunday. I hate when I wake up and the guy that was winning is now in 36th place, I always wonder what the heck happened.

[harvey lee]

My son races dirt modifieds and the general rule that we race under is,race your competitor as you would want him to race you.This works for 90% of all the people you race agaisnt.One also has to remember that sometimes racing clean will cost you some places in the finish.Plenty of racers block on the track and unless you move them they will beat you with a slower car.

Its also very possible that when you try to move the guy ahead of you that you may end up a spot or two ahead but you might also crash and spend a few thousand fixing what you might not have had to fix.Its sometimes a call you have to make when it presents itself on the race track.

[Eric Wettschreck]

Dude, you can come out of the corner, I'm not upset.

Cashcar......I do like napcar, however, that's a good one.