How about that #8

[Rippinlip]

If I was Mikey I would be a little upset.

That I believe is not the first time he has been known to ACCIDENTILLY bump someone not on purpose.

[Guest]

At that track it happens,but shoudnt with team drivers. Bad deal on Jrs part.He wont get to the final 10 doing that.T o bad for Bobby.

[duckbuster]

Junior didn't do anything wrong!! That was entirely the 15 cars fault, or the tracks fault or maybe the weather but NO WAY was that Jr's fault.

[JohnMickish]

I think we can finally add Vickers to the list of boneheads too. Some very good cars taken out in those two wrecks. Shame for being impatient 8 and 25, shame, shame.

[duckbuster]

Ya, what the heck was Vickers thinking!!! He had one of the strongest cars and there was plenty of race left. Gees Gordons gotta be real upset with his teammate.

What did Johnson do this time to have all that hatred rain down on him?

[JohnMickish]

He wins to much. Nobody likes a loser and everyone hates when you win to much. You can't win. The Army car was real strong to, too bad about that tire or whatever that was.

[lawdog]

Jr's problem is he's been spoiled and things came too easy for him. Now he's in panick mode. Plus he's never been all that great of a teammate to Mikey. Only when its convenient...

[eyepatrol]

I'd almost have to agree that Jr hasn't been a great teammate to Mike. Although, I think Jeff has treated Jimmy in a similar manner....he is teammates with him only when it's convenient. But, that's the way NASCAR is now days I think. You've got to take care of you and your sponsor.

[NAPAFISH]

Jeff is just as spoiled as Jr. C'mon now. Who gets the best cars from the Hackrick stable. Not the 25 or the 5.

[Guest]

Put a average driver in a great car and you have a winner,put a great driver in a ill handling car and you dont have much.Gordon has been given the very best most of his Nascar carrer.enough said.

[TNFL]

That just wrong. I've seen plenty of races when 24 has an ill handling car and he works and COMMUNICATES with his crew and they CAN FIX it. Unlike RED neck 8 who probable can't change his own oil. If Jr. car is bad at the start he almost always puts it in the wall.

[Cyberfish]

I gotta agree with LEE, look at Jimmie, he was a mediocre driver in busch, He won one fuel milage race, zzzz.

Put him in Gordons cars and now hes a threat to win nearly every race.

[lawdog]

That Busch to Cup thing is a different deal than just good equipment or not. Tony Stewart didn't win a single Busch race and lit it up when he got to Gibbs. Jeff Green Dominated Busch like nobody's business and is a complete nothing in Cup. Some drivers are just better suited to the Cup Cars or the Busch Cars for some reason...

As for equipment, are you going to discredit Jr. & Mikey because for years their Restrictor Plate cars had such an advantage? I mean Mikey ran like 500 races without a win and went to DEI and won three times. I mean if Mikey can do that, Jr. must just be a nothing with real good equipment also right??? Your logic: I just wonder if you will apply it equally...

[Guest]

I will apply that to Jr.He has been good when they have had an advantage,because he is getting harder to cheer for right along.Dei has alot of problems and after last weeks deal with Jr. and Mikey,I dont know about Jrs team work,maybe there isnt any.I will give you this,Jeff and his team is much better when things are not going good as Jrs team seems to not make the right changes for the track as the race goes on,usually going backwards.Like I said, DEI including Jr,have problems and not all the fault of his team.There is no I in team work and with Jr,Im begining to think with him there might be.Cant win races that way.

[JohnMickish]

"Is Junior really as talented as we are being led to believe, and/or is he pressing so hard out of desperation to make the Chase that it's causing him to make stupid mistakes?"

Sorry to post that but it came right off of Yahoo's sports page, so it's not just us thinking that.

[Guest]

mnfishingguy:

As much as i cheer for the #8 car, I believe you are right,he may not be as good as we believe,and I believe he is pressing so hard he is making some huge mistakes that will probably take him out of the running if he continues his ways.IMO

[otto_man]

it's all about the pedal on the floor that's on the right side. if you have the stones to hold it down you're going to win more often than the other guy. the majority of these cars are pretty much set up the same way...

anybody but #8...

[Guest]

Ottoman:

I dont believe stones has anything to do with it.You can set every car up the same and they all would handle differently.Every body on every car is different,so your aero package will change.You can take the car at the same track and next year you will need to run something a little different in your set-up to get the car to handle.Air pressure of a quarter pound in one tire ,and the car is changed.Almost all car bodies are new the following year.Nascar changes the rules,tires,motors,gearing all play a huge role and nascar doesnt leave any of the above alone from year to year.The set-up that works at 8 in the morning may not work 2 hours later.Every chassis that is built is different in respect to handling,because they may look the same,have been built by the same chassis company,but Ill guarentee it is somewhat different.

[HOF#13]

I think Jr. is a talented driver. No matter how good the equipment, if he was not a good driver, he would not have had the success he has had in the Busch Series or at the Cup level. I do think that Jr. is a (Contact US Regarding This Word) good driver, who is difficult to work with at times, who is also feeling the pressure to produce, and is really pressing and making alot of mistakes. He'll be fine, but not until Teresa cleans up DEI.

I think DEI is in total disarray right now, and I honestly think it goes back to something Lawdog mentioned some time ago. You simply cannot mix buisness and family. I think the upper management at DEI is absolutely horrible. The right hand has no idea what the left hand is doing. It would have worked if Dale Sr. were around to put a stop to the talk behavior going on, on all fronts, including Jr, but with him gone, it seems as though everyone with ties to the family is simply looking out for themselves at DEI right now. There is no team chemistry at all. I guarantee Tony Eury Sr. doesn't spout off at the mouth like he has if Dale Sr. were still here.

As a DEI and 8 fan this is tough to admit...Hopefully, the incident last weekend was the final straw. I am hoping there have been a few intense closed door meetings at DEI this week, and that there are a few people there worried about their jobs if things don't improve.

[Cyberfish]

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As for equipment, are you going to discredit Jr. & Mikey because for years their Restrictor Plate cars had such an advantage? I mean Mikey ran like 500 races without a win and went to DEI and won three times. I mean if Mikey can do that, Jr. must just be a nothing with real good equipment also right??? Your logic: I just wonder if you will apply it equally...

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Oh yeah, you know it! Only to Chevy drivers though!

go FORD!

[NAPAFISH]

JR. was the best oil changer in the shop. Also the fastest

[NAPAFISH]

DW said it last night on Trackside. You as a driver are only as good your eqipment.

[sirsunnyslayer]

Hey napa, I don't want to start a fight here or anything but if Jr. was in the 48, 97, 24, or 16 right now would he be running in the same spot or if one of those drivers with crew got in the 8 it would still run the same?

[NAPAFISH]

No fight just some good old jostlin ya know. If the roles were reversed. Yes I think so. The Roush cars for the most part are probably equal. I think Jack spreads the quality around. As with Hendrick if you put Gordon in the 48 and Johnson in the 24. I would think you would see no difference. I ran into a racer here at the store, and he claimed to have a relative that is married to one of the tire changers on JJs car. He was saying that the 48 and the 24 come out of the same garage. While across the street or road or parking lot whatever. thats the shop for the 25 and 5 and whatever number Labonte drives.

So relating back to my previous point. It sounds like JJ and JG get the best. Also I have never been to Hackrick headquarters so I am relying on this customer, so he could have been full talk.

As far as reversing cars, IMO I think that Roush and Hendrick may know something that DEI does not know about the new spoiler and tire package. Very similar to when DEI always had good plate cars. It took the others a few tries to maybe figure it out.

[sirsunnyslayer]

It's a cyclitcal sport, always has been and always will be. The best a fan can hope for is that your favorite driver can weather the storm and still be around after the fickle fans cast them aside.