4stroke oil change

[anchor man]

Brought the new boat home through the snow on Friday. During the walk through at the dealer, they mentioned bringing it back in for an oil change and inspection(150hp yamaha) after the 10-20 hr break in period. Is $220 a common price for this type of service. What is the price for just a seasonal oil change. OR, is this a simple procedure to do on my own. I didn't have a chance to read the motor manual

Thanks

[REA]

I had my 200 4-stroke Yammi oil changed and winterized for $150. Doing it yourself would save cash, but last year I took the cowling off and my jaw dropped, I want nothing to do with that mess!

[nthomps66]

I was wondering the same thing anchor man. I bought a new Fishhawk w/ a Yamaha F90 last summer and have yet to change the oil like the dealer told me to. I probably have 25 hours on it if that. I am going to try and do it myself when I get it out of storage in a few weeks.

[kslipsinker]

It is actually just like changing a car or truck, with a few exceptions. When draining the oil, hold the drain pan under the hole. It really comes out fast. Change the filter and you are pretty much done. I alway grease any fittings and inspect for things that may need attention. It seems steep to pay $150 for an oil change, but they may do the lower unit and lube the prop shaft too.

[Mark Christianson]

I have a 75hp Honda, and its no more difficult than changing oil in a Honda Civic, and not much more expensive either.(The filters from the dealers are a rip off, I will say that)

I emailed Fram today, and they make filters for outboards for a LOT cheaper. I am going the Fram route for a lot less.

They must be doing a LOT more than just an oil change for those prices.

[Crestliner-fever]

hey big lake how do you get ahold of these filters from fram?

[Mark Christianson]

Walmart!!!!

I just picked one up. The filter for the Honda 75 is a PH3593A.

A whole 3 bucks versus 12 bucks for the Honda brand.

[lawman]

Whoa Nellie! The dealer is not just going to change your oil at 20 hours. I change my oil myself on my four stroke Suzuki but.........at 20 hours these 4's need to have the head re-torqued and other stuff. I almost gagged when I picked my boat up after its 20 hr check and had to pay a bunch of cash. I thought it would be free but I was wrong. I even called Suzuki to complain but found out there is considerable amount of shop time required for the 20 hr check. My engine has been maintenance free since 2001.

[anchor man]

yeah, now that I think about it, they had a huge checklist of things to do including the oil change, so I guess it's worth the money to get things started in the right direction. I figure I'll just cough up the cash for professional maintenance for the first 3 yrs, so I don't mess something up and void the warranty. After the warranties up I may do some things on my own

[Jeremy airjer W]

The Honda filters are the same filter they have been using on there vehicles since the earth cooled. Here are some other part numbers for you

Wix - 51334

powerflo - SL14459

[Giant_Jackpot]

Although BLB seems to have found a direct replacement for his Honda filter, please use caution when looking at an after market filters. When I got my Suzuki in 2000, I asked the dealer why his filters cost so much more than the Wix filter I found at a parts store. He told me that the Wix filter was probably not built to withstand the higher oil pressures encountered in the marine application (80 psi at idle). Now am aware that this may be the dealer trying to sell his parts but it made sense to me. I will be checking with Fram to see what they say about my Suzuki but I may still end up spending the extra money on the factory filter just for peace of mind.

[Mark Christianson]

Some more info I got from Fram today:

Engine oil pressure is directly related to the oil pump specified for a given engine including the tolerances (spaces) between journals, bearings, oil galleys, etc. Fram oil filters meet the functional requirements of an original equipment oil filter for a given engine application. Fram filters are tested in accordance with SAE standards to ensure quality and reliability. As part of the filter analysis process, Fram oil filters are tested for burst pressure and flow rate to ensure that the Fram filter in question meets the performance specifications of the given original equipment filter.

The PH3593A and PH7317 are rated for 3 GPM (gallons/minute) flow rate with a burst pressure of 280-300 PSI. While marine engines may operate under more abusive conditions compared to standard automotive engines, we are not aware of any higher oil pressure operating requirements. FYI, the Honda filter number that you were given, 15400-PLM-A01, is also used on Honda automotive applications.

[Ole #1]

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I was wondering the same thing anchor man. I bought a new Fishhawk w/ a Yamaha F90 last summer and have yet to change the oil like the dealer told me to. I probably have 25 hours on it if that. I am going to try and do it myself when I get it out of storage in a few weeks.

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Just so you know, you need to change the oil before you store your boat for the winter. If you don't the oil turns acidic and will seriously damage your motor.(sorry for any spelling errors)

I have a 2003 Johnson 4 stroke and chaged the oil myself this year, I've just had the dealer do it before, but I decided to save the money and do it myself. Well it wasn't too tough but it wasn't easy either. I changed upper and lower units and the oil and parts cost me about $100. You also need to check your waranty because some motors might require you to use certain types of oil or you could void the waranty.

Ole

[Whoaru99]

I work directly with warranty and there is this little thing called Magnusson-Moss Act that says you do not have to use a particular brand of oil, filter, etc. to maintain warranty coverage. However, what you choose to use must meet or exceed the mfg. specifications to maintain warranty coverage.

All that said, for the price difference between aftermarket and OEM, it's often cheap insurance to just avoid the hassle to begin with if anything should happen.

I don't work with warranty on marine engines, but the Act applies to it all I believe.

As far as the filters go, what I work with uses high pressure hydraulics. There are a lot of filters that are "will-fit", but there is only one to the best of my knowledge that fits our application and meets our engineering spec. The will-fit filters cost about $30, the right filter costs about $75 from the dealer. Everybody always thinks the dealers are gouging, and in some cases, yes they are, but with that price comes some aspect of service that you don't get at Wallyworld. It's pretty tough to tell a guy he has $20,000 of hydraulic repairs necessary because he "saved" $45 on a filter. And yes, the will-fit filters were/are made by name-brand, reputable companies. The saddest fact is that you can get the same filter as ours from some of these companies, but guess what? It costs about $75...

[buzzsaw]

LAWMAN hit it right on the head guys! I also purchased a new Crestliner w/Yamaha 150 HP 4 stroke and they discussed with me all of the things they do at the 20 hour tune up/oil change.... including tightening any loose throttle cables. I was quotted $220.00 by Crystal Pierz in Hastings as well and I have no problem paying that fee knowing an "expert" is taking care of my $28,000 depreciating investment if you will.

[unclejake]

BigLakeBa$$,

Do you think Walmart would have oil filters for suzukie/johnson motors?

Also, could you give me Fram's email address? I could not find it on their HSOforum.

Thanks for the help....Jake.

[Hibbing]

Last fall when I went to my Honda dealer for a new filter, I questioned the cost and weather there was an "after market" filter. The parts manager warned me that there were filters that would fit on the motor, but the oil flowed through it differently and he guaranteed that I would sieze my motor almost instantly!. Was this all talk or is there some truth to it? Any Honda tech's out there that can give us an honest answer?