Hate chicken/salmon and have type 2 diabeties

[deerminator]

BobT, have you ever tried steel cut oats for breakfast? It's about 27g for one cup cooked and you can then doctor it up with whatever fruit or complement you want to add that works with your dietary plan. I've found them to be very filling and eat them pretty much every morning. I don't have diabetes so I do have them with a tablespoon of brown sugar over the top. From what I read, they have a lower glycemic index than regular oats and are more nutritious because they're basically just chopped up versus regular oats that are processed several times over.

I put 2 cups uncooked steel cut oats in a small crock pot with 5 cups water and 3 cups skim milk and leave it overnight on low and it lasts me and the wife with enough breakfasts for the work week.

[Mistermojo]

I was diagnosed with T2 at the end of March. My A1C was 8.4. MD put me on 2000 mg of Metformin daily, as well as making the dietary modifications. I was basically in shock for the first few weeks thinking about all of the stuff I wasn't going to be able to eat anymore. I began by getting one of those diabetic cooking magazines from the drug store and used that as a guide of what I should and shouldn't eat, as well as recommendations from the Diabetes Assn HSOforum. My insurance is pretty crappy so I didn't want to spend the $$ on the diet education if I could do this myself. I basically went low-carb, high protein, but used my carbs more wisely like switching to whole wheat bread or sandwich wraps.

I have a low-cal greek yogurt (80 cals for Dannon) with 1/3 cup of granola every morning for breakfast instead of getting 2 sandwiches with hashbrown from McD's. Cut out about 800 calories there. Love the stuff now, look forward to it every morning.

Snack is usually a piece of fruit or some nuts.

Lunch is something generally low-carb like a lean cuisine or meat option with no bread or one piece of whole wheat bread and some lunchmeat with lettuce.

Dinner is generally low-carb also, the biggest thing has been portion control. OK to have a piece of fried fish instead of 3 or 4, OK to have a half of a sweet potato instead of fries. Usually a salad or fresh veggie to go with.

Went back in Mid July for 3 month check, A1C was down to 5.4 and have gone from 295 to 260 and dropped from a 42" waist to 38" waist.

I still feel hungry more often, but keep healthy snacks around to get me between meals instead of hitting the vending machine at work.

-To the OP, try marinating some chicken thighs in Trader Joe's Island Soyaki sauce. It gives them some sweetness and keeps them nice and tender. Also, you can get other chicken or turkey stuff like brats and sausage. We hardly use ground beef anymore, it's almost always turkey.

Good luck guys!

Mojo

[Kettle]

Ketosis can be very effective for loosing the bodyfat, I did some keto dieting this past spring for a physique show. It is also used in treating children with epilepsy. I would run a keto diet for 7 days and one day I would load up with carbohydrates close to 300 grams then repeat. It reduces the "brain fog" and headaches I was experiencing. Carb cycling can be a great way for loosing fat but I am not a diabetic so I would imagine it to be more difficult.

When you are on a keto diet, your body burns off the glycogen stores in your liver and your energy is from the ketons itslef (if I am not mistaken)

The concerns I do see in this are low carb, high protein and high fat leads to high cholesterol which can lead to heart attack or stroke. If your blood sugar were to drop too low and you have a decreased level of consciousness or are unconscious and were given a shot of glucagon it wouldn't work since there are no reserves in your liver.

I would recommend talking with your doctor (endocrinologist) prior to starting any diet.

Kettle

[LABS4ME]

we had my son on the Ketogenic diet for two years to try and help control his epilepsy... it helped very marginally. Some kids do have great help using it... I did learn that it is an effective weight loss diet also.

some things of note quickly (it's not something that can be learned in a small message), to do it you would need at least a little training and being monitored by a professional.

It takes a coupe days to get into Ketosis. Just doing the diet probably will not get you there nor keep you there. I'm not sure Kettle how you were able to add in carbs for a day and get back into Ketosis. We were taught that introducing carbs into the diet will break the ketosis and you have to fast again to get into back ketosis. you have to measure everyrhing you eat precisely on a dietary scale. You have to follow a dietician's plan / recipe / menu. The food is not very appetising a lot of the time, but you can usually find acceptale recipes that work. We were taught because the body was not really subject to higher risk of cholestoral levels or heart attacks... it becomes a very efficient user of the food taken in for energy...

All in all, my guess is this would be a last stand diet for someone. I'd be more inclined to believe a modified diet / portion control with the introduction of exercise will fit the bill for the vast majority of people.

Good luck everyone with you diet needs. I hope that same day at the Dr. does not happen for me, but if it does, I will not be near as shocked at what I need to do after reading how adaptable you all have been on your diet transitions.

Ken

[Kettle]

Ken,

I can emphasize with you, I do not have any kids but I do work with a lot of children with epilepsy. It is tough to see children and their families cope with epilepsy. I really wished the diet worked out better.

Myself, I would run a keto diet for seven days and on the seventh day my last meal was a burger and fries with a coke. Then back to keto for seven more days. I weighed everything out on a scale, diet was mainly fish, chicken, beef with egg whites some yokes and coconut oil. It was hard for me as an adult to do this even though it was by choice. I could not imagine how hard it would be for a child. It would be great to someday see a cure for epilepsy.

Kettle

[jmd1]

Thanks again for all of the replies. So did a marinated chicken dish last weekend. Managed to eat it for lunch on Monday but then when i went to eat it again on Wed for lunch, no way. Just could not get in much of it. Ended up putting it out for the work cat. I do the mixed fresh veggies for my sweet tooth. Seems to help. We decided on Friday to have a splurge night, had thin crust pizza. Bad deal talk went through the roof. I have also found that if i eat any type of bread then i am fighting to get sugar back in check.

Some days i am good then the next couple it will be off the chart. It is a fight that we all will need to battle. Thanks to the great support from all of you. Jeff

[delcecchi]

What meds are you taking?

[BobT]

Thanks again for all of the replies. So did a marinated chicken dish last weekend. Managed to eat it for lunch on Monday but then when i went to eat it again on Wed for lunch, no way. Just could not get in much of it. Ended up putting it out for the work cat. I do the mixed fresh veggies for my sweet tooth. Seems to help. We decided on Friday to have a splurge night, had thin crust pizza. Bad deal talk went through the roof. I have also found that if i eat any type of bread then i am fighting to get sugar back in check.

Some days i am good then the next couple it will be off the chart. It is a fight that we all will need to battle. Thanks to the great support from all of you. Jeff

When we have pizza I limit myself on the crust. I have always preferred ultra thin crust anyway so to scrape the toppings off is right up my alley.

For bread, Sara Lee makes a lite bread with about half the carbs per slice compared to any other variety. This might be worth looking at too.

[jmd1]

victoza, lantas, metformin

[delcecchi]

Maybe you need to increase the dose of Lantus (long acting insulin).

[jmd1]

I have been every 4 days up 3 units to bring night time talk down when i wake up. the problem is the time from dinner to bed is when it peaks. i am getting better, just will take time. thanks for all the support

[delcecchi]

I have been every 4 days up 3 units to bring night time talk down when i wake up. the problem is the time from dinner to bed is when it peaks. i am getting better, just will take time. thanks for all the support

Lantus is supposed to last 24 hours. Some folks it wears off a little early.

[NEANGLER]

Pork is a great option as a boneless pork chop is almost as lean as a boneless skinless chicken breast. Try other fish like mahi mahi, Orange roughy, tuna steaks, Swai, Red snapper that are so fishy tasting.

I was type 2 and now type one, main thing when I was type 2 was to keep your carbs no higher than 60 grams per meal. You can still have carbs - just need to balance and limit them. You will also find out which carbs affect your blood sugar differently. Try to have 5 meals a day instead of 3 to control the peaks and valleys and make sure to exercise. When I was first diagnosed I had a A1C of 11, testosterone 55 and chol was almost 300 and needed to lose about 40#. Doc was honest and if I stayed on this trail would be lucky make it to 55(just turned 40). First six months completely changed my diet, exercised daily, took fish oil and took testosterone shots. In six months dropped my A1C to 7, Chol to 160 and Testosterone was 300 and went from 240 to 189.

It will take some searching and trial and error but you will find things you like and can eat. If you like rice, Quinoa is a great alternative and is packed w protein. Get creative with Vegetables and other snacks - make our own jerkey (just reduce the salt) Whole grain crackers, etc.

On your Lantas I would talk to your Doctor on increasing your dosage if you are getting high by the am. Its "supposed" to work for 24hrs but is not even close. I take Lantas at bed time and my dosage is 14 units and I am usually at 100-110 when I wake in the am. I would also suggest going to a Endocrinologist who specialize in treating Diabetes, your regular Dr is Ok but has general knowledge the treatment. An endo can specialize a game plan for you and are all about tweaking and changing your meds to get it right. Once I started going to one it is the best I have felt since we have dialed in my treatment.

Good luck and ask questions, I know more about Diabetes than I ever want to know with going to an endo, Diabetes classes, food classes, internet research, MRI/Cat Scans, going from Type 2 to Type 1, eye Dr's, etc