deer density

[PurpleFloyd]

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If anything we are seeing the best hunting we have ever had in my 30 plus years of hunting. Next year should be better than this year.

There is the narrow sighted part I have read a few times...

How hard is it to understand that you might be experienceing everything of your dreams, but there is a very large population of people saying something is really a mess?

Good for you. You are one of the lucky ones in this day and age. Dont forget there are a lot of people that are not and have not experienced that for a while now.

So what you are saying is if you don't think the hunting experience in this state sucks you cannot post? Seriously- It is a diverse state. I have maintained that from day one. Some guys have not seen a lot of deer and they post it. To you that is fine and you support them stating it. Yet, another person says they are having great success and you try to label them as narrow sighted.

That says alot about you right there.

[PurpleFloyd]

Answer my question first. Is it me that you were talking about in your other post?

That was very mature of you to change my name in your post. Grow up a little and when you are old enough I will be happy to discuss it with you.

[PurpleFloyd]

Better hunters will find deer,They spend some time looking.They dont leave home 2 weekends a year and expect to fill tags.

[smsmith]

I am not sure what you mean by that. Would you be able to expand on it a bit? The reason I ask is our party (Yeah,party) has brought in 6 of our children to the group over the past 3-4 years including my son and daughter. We have been teaching them that they will have good years and bad years, that they are guaranteed nothing, but to enjoy any deer they are given a chance to harvest because some of the best memories come from the ones you see and don't get, but that you learned something from. The kids have grown to look forward to each season and not because they feel they need to see a certain percentage of deer or even a deer at all, but that they get out with family and spend time together. They get to decide what they feel is a trophy and we fight hard to ensure that nobody else dictates to then what is acceptable to harvest.

It took me a day or so...but I'm pretty sure it doesn't matter what I post for clarification. You have no desire for clarification....best of luck to you in the coming deer seasons.

[nonteepical]

On a serious note, the people who complain about MN being one of the worst states in the nation for hunting typically cite Iowa, WI, or Missouri as meccas for deer hunting and the blue print for how a herd should be managed. But I've pasted some links to news articles from this year, and it seems hunters in those states don't like their hunting either. Perhaps we're just at the bottom of a natural cycle? Or perhaps hunters like to complain more than old women?

Missouri:

http://www.kansascity.com/2014/01/04/4729843/missouri-deer-hunting-reaches.html#storylink=cpy

Is there trouble in paradise? Missouri deer hunters certainly think so. They remember days when they could pick and choose the deer they wanted to shoot. Now, they’re lucky just to see deer. Any deer, let alone a big buck

Iowa:

http://amestrib.com/sports/outdoors/60-y...h.ZaQNZbFk.dpuf

It’s true: the state’s population appears to be shrinking, as evidenced by seven consecutive years of smaller harvests

Wisconsin

http://lacrossetribune.com/news/local/de...1a4bcf887a.html

Deer harvest down 7 percent in Wisconsin

[smsmith]

My personal opinion is it's a disturbing trend for deer hunters accross the country. The conspiracy is to lower deer populations accross the board everywhere. I think big Ag, auto insurance and others are on a mission to lower numbers in every state not just minnesota and hunters all over the country are seeing (or not seeing) it. This is why the petition is important a bigger voice for the deer hunter who foots the bill for the DNR.

Here, here...well stated sir

[jentz]

No clarification??We should all think like you and follow orders? Or we're wrong.

[smsmith]

No clarification??We should all think like you and follow orders? Or we're wrong.

talking to me or nonteepical?

[smsmith]

oops

[Jameson]

...That was very mature of you to change my name in your post. Grow up a little and when you are old enough I will be happy to discuss it with you.

Dear PurpleTroll, You are the one that is not willing to have a conversation without telling half-lies.

Sincerely,

Honest Jameson

[tfran123]

Jameson - you should know by now that PurpleFloyd takes the "other" position just to be that guy, I've seen it 100's of times, this thread is no different. It's pretty simple deer numbers are down, can /should we bring them up - the big insurance companies would like to maximize harvest (deer hits are expensive!). It's not about bucks either but Purple Floyd can't/won't recognize that many of these organizations are trying to make our hunting better, sure some of them want better bucks and that my friend is what gets him all stirred up. Way too many permit areas in the mid-2000's allowing a 5 deer harvest, if you want to stack up does then guess what the population suffers, less does and future bucks. It's not hard to figure out, but for him it's a real challenge.

[tfran123]

my main concern with all this is the groups that are pushing this realize that more deer is a pre-requisite to their ultimate goal of apr's.

yep, i said it.

Classic post, can you look at anything objectively? Appears not, focus on big ag and big insurance companies first and then do a little research. Contrary to your very narrow view, the APR guys are actually fighting for some of the things you would appreciate. Hard to comprehend, yep, I know but it's true. Just wow . . .

[Jameson]

Jameson - you should know by now that PurpleFloyd takes the "other" position just to be that guy, I've seen it 100's of times, this thread is no different. ...

You know what, I can truly appreciate that aspect. It makes conversation. But just use facts, and not lies. It the half-truths, where he starts out saying something very true (ie..."There is one person on this site that is honest about wanting a buck lottery..") followed by a complete lie ("...so that he can have trophy hunting.")

He is just being a troll.

signed,

Honest Jameson

[Getanet]

Oh brother. Now the guys pushing APR, the most divisive hunting issue I've seen in my lifetime, are going to lecture everyone about the need for hunter unity.

[B. Amish]

Classic post, can you look at anything objectively? Appears not, focus on big ag and big insurance companies first and then do a little research. Contrary to your very narrow view, the APR guys are actually fighting for some of the things you would appreciate. Hard to comprehend, yep, I know but it's true. Just wow . . .

Sure, objectively, I look at apr's as having more negatives than positives.

[tfran123]

Start at the beginning and report back, this IS about deer densities. Make it as difficult as you'd like, apparently it's hard for you.

[rockman]

Yep, nothing like another thread by the entitlement minded, socialistic APR/QDMA crowd, to get folks worked up. Same song, same 10,000th kool aid laden verse.

[B. Amish]

Start at the beginning and report back, this IS about deer densities. Make it as difficult as you'd like, apparently it's hard for you.

A narrow view would believe that this is only about deer density.

[tfran123]

Again, tough for you. Sorry.

[smsmith]

Man, and I thought I was paranoid. Some of the folks on this site are wayyyy out there.

The MDDI has no ulterior motives. It has a narrow focus...improve pre-fawn densities where needed, improve the public stakeholder process so hunters have a stronger voice. That's it.

No grassy knoll here fellas............

[mntatonka]

I don't blame people for being skeptical about the final motives of the mddi. Yes, right now it's strictly to raise populations. Of course, that can simply. E done by limiting tags, which the dnr is very likely to do this year. But what's the goal a few years down the road? This whole thing is started, and pushed, by people who have time and again said they'd strongly support APR's if the population can handle it. ,

[smsmith]

So because of some hypothetical concern you won't back an initiative that benefits every deer hunter in the state? Okay...........

From the MWA fb page "I don't know what sort of timeframe we are looking at here, but I think we would be looking at 2016/2017 to be the year we really look to expand APR."

Since the major organization involved with getting APRs in the SE and who would "lead the charge" for any expansion is saying you have at least 2 years and possibly 3 before any expansion.....I think we can all take a step back and think about what has been stated in this thread.

[PurpleFloyd]

It took me a day or so...but I'm pretty sure it doesn't matter what I post for clarification. You have no desire for clarification....best of luck to you in the coming deer seasons.

Please explain.

[mntatonka]

I didn't say I don't back it. I just caution people about what the ultimate goals of this iniative are.

[smsmith]

Please explain.

You're a contrarian and enjoy the conversation that stems from being one. More power to you. Like I said, best of luck in the seasons to come.