1lb propane tank price thread

[Agronomist_at_IA]

To me it's your analogy that is a little off.

Comparing an activity hundreds of thousands of people do every day with one that is done by a small group of people willing to risk being nominated for a Darwin Award to save a few pennies.

I didn't know that filling LP tanks was done by a small group of people? Last I knew, LP was a popular item that was transported in many different sized tanks and hundreds of thousands well more like millions of people are employed in this industry that refills LP tanks of all sizes.

Have you ever heard of anhydrous? That's a product way more dangerous then propane.........millions of people every spring and fall refill and transport it. The product is used by agriculture, and it save producers on input cost. And saves on the cost of goods to the public.

I can't understand where in your post that something is ok or better to do just because more people do it. Their are risk in everything we do to have a potential accident. Does that mean we should quit doing everything.

[Pat K]

Agronomist,

This thread is talking about 1 lb. bottles that are not designed to be refilled being refilled by people in their garages, back yards and basements.

I grew up on a farm I applied anhydrous. All of that equipment is designed to be refilled and reused. Plus you take classes and get certified to handle the stuff.

I just think your most of your analogies are comparing pineapples to hand grenades

[Tom Sawyer]

I've always found Menards to be the cheapest. Already twice this year they've ran a sale 4 for 9 dollars.

I wouldn't even consider refilling those bottles at that price. Will what you saved over the years cover the ER bill, if/when you need a visit?

[Trev]

Good luck with that Agronomist. I bet you are not saving more than a $1.25 a trip. Now I know your going to tell me you fish a bunch, 50 days a year or better, that's $62.50 a year wow! Maybe could buy one less Baby Ruth bar a time too.

So if you convince a guy to fill his tanks and he's not quite as smart as you and blows himself up are you going to his son Tee Ball games.

[Agronomist_at_IA]

Agronomist,

This thread is talking about 1 lb. bottles that are not designed to be refilled being refilled by people in their garages, back yards and basements.

I grew up on a farm I applied anhydrous. All of that equipment is designed to be refilled and reused. Plus you take classes and get certified to handle the stuff.

I just think your most of your analogies are comparing pineapples to hand grenades

Your misconceptions and ignorance of the topics is sad.

First, you do not have to take classes or get "certified " to handle anhydrous. At least in the states I have worked and serviced in.

Contrary to popular opinion it is not illegal to refill 1# tanks either.

There is no federal (U.S.) contraint whatsoever on refilling a tank, nor for that matter on transporting such a tank whereever you want (provided it is not a federally-controlled road with restrictions on hazardous materials, which is a section of the CFR that nobody here has bothered to point out). There could not possibly ever be any such global constraint on your right to do so under the 10th Amendment. The cited regulations and laws deal specifically with transport in commerce, that is, transport across state lines for the purpose of selling the tank or using them in support of a commercial enterprise (and, under several federal court cases dating back to the 1930s, commercial transport on federally controlled roads – the so-called “implied commerce” argument that gave us the FDA and EPA). The second item is this talk about it being illegal to transport, even in commerce, REFILLED tanks. That is nonsense. It is not illegal to transport a refilled tank, it is illegal to commercially transport improperly LABELED tanks – if you read the citation for 49 U.S.C. 5124 (that’s the one with the prison sentences and all) you’ll see that it establishes penalties for violation of 21 U.S.C. 5104. Section 5104, in turn, is not a REFILLING statue, it is a LABELING statue. The moment you refill a tank you may or may not have created a fire hazard, but you a very definitely created a mislabeled product – and that’s what is illegal.

So simple remove the label and your good.

If 1# tanks weren't leagal to refill, Mr. heater and another of other companies would be screwed with law suits from selling refillable adapters.

[Alagnak]

I think you're full of it. You don't refill them yourself because it doesn't say in your signature on the bottom. :-)

[Agronomist_at_IA]

Good luck with that Agronomist. I bet you are not saving more than a $1.25 a trip. Now I know your going to tell me you fish a bunch, 50 days a year or better, that's $62.50 a year wow! Maybe could buy one less Baby Ruth bar a time too.

So if you convince a guy to fill his tanks and he's not quite as smart as you and blows himself up are you going to his son Tee Ball games.

Well, I refill more out of the fact it's simplistic and convenient. Well, what do you use for a tank pice for the 1# tanks?

I refill my grill tanks (20#) off of a bullet I use to heat my home. So my cost is whatever the LP cost per lb is with a huge home LP tank.

I used 5 1# bottles yesterday.....went from noon to 1am.

I could really care less about the money saved I do it out of convenience.

What I really don't understand is that many people are against refilling 1# tanks because it's dangerous..........[PoorWordUsage]? It's no more dangerous then using the one lb tanks.

So if someone buys a 1# and they get blown up using it are you going to his sons tee ball game.

[Pat K]

Your misconceptions and ignorance of the topics is sad.

First, you do not have to take classes or get "certified " to handle anhydrous. At least in the states I have worked and serviced in.

Contrary to popular opinion it is not illegal to refill 1# tanks either.

There is no federal (U.S.) contraint whatsoever on refilling a tank, nor for that matter on transporting such a tank whereever you want (provided it is not a federally-controlled road with restrictions on hazardous materials, which is a section of the CFR that nobody here has bothered to point out). There could not possibly ever be any such global constraint on your right to do so under the 10th Amendment. The cited regulations and laws deal specifically with transport in commerce, that is, transport across state lines for the purpose of selling the tank or using them in support of a commercial enterprise (and, under several federal court cases dating back to the 1930s, commercial transport on federally controlled roads – the so-called “implied commerce” argument that gave us the FDA and EPA). The second item is this talk about it being illegal to transport, even in commerce, REFILLED tanks. That is nonsense. It is not illegal to transport a refilled tank, it is illegal to commercially transport improperly LABELED tanks – if you read the citation for 49 U.S.C. 5124 (that’s the one with the prison sentences and all) you’ll see that it establishes penalties for violation of 21 U.S.C. 5104. Section 5104, in turn, is not a REFILLING statue, it is a LABELING statue. The moment you refill a tank you may or may not have created a fire hazard, but you a very definitely created a mislabeled product – and that’s what is illegal.

So simple remove the label and your good.

If 1# tanks weren't leagal to refill, Mr. heater and another of other companies would be screwed with law suits from selling refillable adapters.

I never used the word illegal.

The 1 lb tank in front of me says DO NOT REFILL. Therefor not designed to be refilled.

You compared it to commercial air travel first. My reply was that it was a bad analogy.

When I was a kid (35 years ago)I applied anhydrous for a local elevator. My dad leased the tractor to them and I was paid by the acre. I had to take a class and be certified to handle anhydrous ammonia.

It a matter of risk & reward and I don' think $15 to $20 a year savings are worth the risk.

Ignorance is bliss I guess.

[Agronomist_at_IA]

Quote:

I never used the word illegal.

The 1 lb tank in front of me says DO NOT REFILL. Therefor not designed to be refilled.

You compared it to commercial air travel first. My reply was that it was a bad analogy.

When I was a kid (35 years ago)I applied anhydrous for a local elevator. My dad leased the tractor to them and I was paid by the acre. I had to take a class and be certified to handle anhydrous ammonia.

It a matter of risk & reward and I don' think $15 to $20 a year savings are worth the risk.

Ignorance is bliss I guess.

They more then likely sent you to a class for insurance purposes to get cheaper rates. There is no requirement to be certified. If the design wasn't able to allow refills, then Mr. Heater or any other company wouldn't be selling refill adapters due to legal ramifications,

[Myrt]

what's convenient is different for everybody, for me it's more convenient to buy the pounders.

I look for deals on pounders also,

, but I have a question on brands, is there any difference in quality?

I've mostly used Coleman, but I used a different brand last year

and a few bottles slushed up when real cold(left in truck on trip), is that a problem with any brand?

[minnesotathorn]

my tanks all say do not refill also. but what do the know, right.

you go iowa.

I am sure iowa can get by with 1 less agronomist.