Kenseth, big penatly along with Gibb's and crew chief

[harvey lee]

I have no idea if they could gain some performance from what they did or did not do.

So, your saying it's ok to do it to one rod but not all of them?

Well then, how about if we lighten up the brake rotors on one side and not the other? Only did part of them so it should be ok.

[harvey lee]

I have no idea if they could gain some performance from what they did or did not do. I have no idea if you could gain hp from that change, I am not a engineer.

So, your saying it's ok to do it to one rod but not all of them?

Well then, how about if we lighten up the brake rotors on one side and not the other? Only did part of them so it should be ok.

They BROKE the rules and will have top pay like all the rest, that simple.

[gregg52]

alittle to severe i think

are they spose to take the motors apart when they get them from TRD

and weigh everthing?

25 points is alot

but its early enough matt will make the chase and win more races

[harvey lee]

I would say they need to check thier parts better before they are installed in thier motors. Otherwise, the penalties will continue.

I agree gregg the penatly was stiff but maybe NASCAR is getting tired of the stretching of the rules and has decided to penalize them a bit more to stop the pushing of the rules so far.

Only my guess.

I know the shop that builds or modified motors check everything before they are installed if the rules has a measurement on that part. The last thing a driver wants is to be fined or DQed due to a rule infraction espeically if the infraction was not a performance gain. Sometimes it happens and did to Matt and his team.

[CaptainMusky]

So, your saying it's ok to do it to one rod but not all of them?

Well then, how about if we lighten up the brake rotors on one side and not the other? Only did part of them so it should be ok.

They BROKE the rules and will have top pay like all the rest, that simple.

Yeah, pretty much. Not sure that lightening a brake rotor would be an equivalent comparison, but I get your thought process.

The thing is with the motor is there has to be tight tolerances and any harmonics at the RPMs they pull and blammo. You cannot have one out of 8 cylinders off by that much and expect it to hold together. 1 brake rotor lighter? That could be an advantage on a track like daytona, but not so much on Richmond or Bristol.

I also think that MWR got hosed a bit because of a part failure with Truex's car. I mean, a shock busted and they get docked because "Too low". Thats splitting hairs I think.

[harvey lee]

If the motor builders know they have tight tolerances, how does a rod weighing less than the others get in the motor. Oversight probably.

But how does tech,tech the ride height when the shock is broke? There is a minimum for the ride height in post race tech and they have to pass tech.

I understand what you are saying but a team could start out with a lower ride height and then if the shock broke, they could still pass terch saying the shock caused it.

I saw in a national go kart race a guy faster than H$ll. Almost to fast. All these motors are tore down all the way and each part is teched to the rules. let's say the guy knew he was illegal and the last few laps he reached back to the carb screws, which they can do and leaned the motor way out. Motor would not survive. Now we are in tech and there is no running motor to tech as it blew up. Do you let him go as the motor blew or do you say sorry, you cannot be terched as you blew up. The answer is, DQed as no motor to tech. Racers all find a way to cheat oif they want to so a milion rules have been put in place to keep the playing field as even as possible. Bout the same as a broken shock, it stinks but it is the rules.

I am sure if NASCAR allowed this, some teams would get it all figured out.

The drivers have brought on all these rules as over the years, teams always find a new way to bend the rules and try to get away with it. if NASCAR now says, oh well, there was no intent, boy would that open a new can of worms.

I have seen guys get dqed for to much piston pop up. Like 1 thousanth of an inch. Motors can build up carbon on top of the piston so when you build the motor, you have to leave enough clearance so when teched, you allowed for the carbon on top of the piston or you will be Dqed.

[CAMAN]

are they spose to take the motors apart when they get them from TRD

and weigh everthing?

Exactly! What is typically done when they get the motors? Tear them down and inspect everything? Or drop them into the car? I was listening to prerace interviews and a few were saying it was a roll of the dice on which team which motor. So from the sounds of it any team could have wound up with the light conrod. I guess if normal protocol is to just drop an engine into a car without a complete teardown then I can't see why such a harsh penalty.

BTW..I am by no means a Kenseth or Rousch fan, I just don't like seeing things like this that can completely screw up a teams season if it clearly wasn't intentional.

[LMITOUT]

My guess is that they'll reduce the points penalties (maybe completely) and uphold the monetary fines...possibly the suspensions too.

From what I've read TRD ships the engines across the country to Gibbs and Waltrip and they bolt them in. They don't have access to the inside of the engines whatsoever and, as CAMAN said, it's basically random which car they go into. The engine in question could have easily been in Candyland's car and nobody would have known since NASCAR took Kenseth's car because he won the race.

Regardless, it still doesn't let Gibbs off the hook. He's responsible for the engine whether he builds it in-house or buys it from a supplier.

[Wanderer]

I know rules is rules and all but I have to ask; What's the NASCAR spec on driver's weight?

Do Joey and Tony have to fit through the same template at inspection?

Way too severe of a fine in my eyes unless they can cite a logical reason how this infraction gave Kenseth an unfair advantage.

Until then, B as in B; S as in S.

[LMITOUT]

There is a minimum car weight (3300lbs) and that includes a baseline weight of 180lbs for the driver. If a driver weighs less than 180lbs the team has to add 10lbs of weight for every 10lbs the driver is under that 180 mark up to a maximum of 40lbs. So, if you have a driver under 149 pounds the car would have to weigh a minimum of 3340lbs to pass inspection.

[harvey lee]

I know rules is rules and all but I have to ask; What's the NASCAR spec on driver's weight?

Do Joey and Tony have to fit through the same template at inspection?

Way too severe of a fine in my eyes unless they can cite a logical reason how this infraction gave Kenseth an unfair advantage.

Until then, B as in B; S as in S.

NASCAR does not have to. If they don't like it, too bad.

[Wanderer]

Thanks for answering the question Limit. And yeah, Tom, the Golden Rule clearly applies in NASCAR. Those that have the gold, make the rules.

[harvey lee]

And those that break the rules, get thier gold taken away. More than likely almost all teams have been caught pushing the rules or a part was bad or not approved. Not a first here with Kenseth or the team.

Will see what NASCAR says this Wed about thier appeal. My guess, maybe owner points given back and thats it.

[Sifty]

Looks like the penalty has been reduced.

It seems a little more "inline" with where people thought it should be.

Moves the 20 from 11th in points up to 4th.

[CaptainMusky]

Oh the humanity now all the teams are going to have one rod out of spec to win the race.

[LMITOUT]

NASCAR wasn't happy about the decision at all.

I wouldn't be surprised to see a lot of JGR cars picked as the "random" for a while.

[CaptainMusky]

Yeah its uncanny how those random ping pong balls fall sometime.

[gregg52]

well nascar was out of line

little common sense has to take over and fairness to

one thing for sure matt didnt deserve the knock in points

[harvey lee]

Fair is fair.