Spearing endorsement

[fish4u]

Reading the Outdoor News today the front page story on DNR seeks fee for walk in access it goes on to talk about license increases and then they say they will create a new darkhouse spearing endorsement which would cost $5.00 for residents and $10.00 for nonresidents. Does anyone know what this is about we already have to have two licenses to spear why one more. Your thoughts please

[Gordie]

Not positive but I belive it will be a endorsement so we dont need two licenses.

[mrklean]

Like the walleye stamp dont need it but can buy it

[Archerysniper]

Like the walleye stamp dont need it but can buy it

+1 and I would still drop the $5 a season

[bassNspear]

why

[Spike76]

There should be a catch and release endorsement. I.M.O., more fish die by catch and release, then are speared in a year.

[MJ1657]

I personally don't have a problem with the $18 license fee for spearing.

Where else can I have that much fun for $18 per year?

[jasonmichalski]

In Michigan $27.00 lets you fish for a year any way that you want. If its lagel way pay more? If you don't trout fish in michigan it would be $12.00 for the year and you can fissh how you want. The extra money on the all fish goes to planting and stream habitat projects. Whats the reason you guys have to pay more.

[Gordie]

Whats the reason you guys have to pay more.

I dont think we will ever have the real answer for that but my guess is that it is a seperate sport so we have to pay to do it.

Kinda like hunting is different that trapping so you have to buy two seperate licenses.

[spearchucker]

Spearing and angling counts on the same possession limit so why do we need 2 licenses? I thought the endorsement was to be in place of the spearing license? You buy your fishing license and buy the endorsement if you want to spear. Make more sense to me than a separate license.

[Archerysniper]

They really are not separate though because you first have to get your fishing Lic then you need the spearing Lic to be legal. Maybe the new endorsement is like some of the stamps we have that are mandatory but they lower the fee for it.

[spearchucker]

That was my point though. You need to buy 2 licenses, but can only take 1 limit. I hope that the new endorsement will just ad a small fee onto the fishing license if you want to spear.

[Gordie]

The deal with this is our angling licenses are going to go up 7 dollars but we will not have to pay for the extra 18 dollars for the spearing license it will be a 5 dollar endorsement.

So it is acctually a plus for the spear fishermen and it's about time. Our license goes up 7 bucks but we save 13 bucks in the long run with this endorsement.

[mrklean]

very nice its about time

[Spike76]

If spearing cost 100 bucks I would pay up and spear, but what would the money be used for. Make the regs. simple, so everyone can understand them. One fishing liscense, three northerns, with one over thirty, with as many lines used as wanted. You can also spear. Any lake needing help getting larger northerns, must be closed to northern spearing or fishing, for two years to help revive the population. Experimental regs on 5 lakes only, if all property owners on said lake, agree. Why should there be regs., protecting northerns from 24 to 36 , then they report you shouldn't eat large northerns because of too much mercury in them.

[bigg edd]

With all the different carp showing up and the new popularity in serious bow fishing I'm waiting for the added fee for shooting carp.

[Shawn Kellett]

Any lake needing help getting larger northerns, must be closed to northern spearing or fishing, for two years to help revive the population.

Do you think it takes 2 years to grow pike to a large size? If so then I see where the problem is with a large number of people who spear. It takes up to 20 years to get pike to a large size. That's why the experimental reg's needed to stay to see the intended effect.

[Spike76]

Shawn, I don't want large pike. I want pike for eating. Why should anyone be restricted in spearing a 24 inch to 36 inch pike? I had to go to another lake this year and only speared one over thirty, and had a terrific year spearing. Only about 5 under 24 inches. If there were slots there from 24 to 36 it would have been a terrible year. If there is a reason for the slot then fine, but close the lake for any pike then. The experimental slots for larger pike are wrong. One over thirty is more than enough for a slot. When a pike comes in fast and you have to judge its size before spearing it, you might miss it or loose your 3 dollar sucker because you had to waste time examining the situation. Sometimes they come back and sometimes they don't. Spearing is probably dying out because of the regs and the increasing costs. More of the real large pike are kept because of the slots. I see this, because most would be done and gone with their limit before they would see the big one most often. I realize you won't agree with me but I am used to it, my wife is liberal and I'm conservative. At least feel sorry for me. I can't win any arguments at home, even when I'm right, but thanks to the forums I get to vent.

[Gordie]

Spearing is probably dying out because of the regs and the increasing costs.

Well spike your in luck because spearing just got or is gonna get cheaper for our licences.

I will try as long as I have a breath in my body to promote spearing and the joys of it.

I will introduce young and new people each year I go and this is another reason that we as spearfishermen need to join the spearing groups that are out there so we do have a stronger voice when it comes to these matters and we can be heard louder and louder each time we speak.

Like I said I will fight for it until my last breath and thats what the oposing groups do not want to here.

There are groups that want us to die and I'm going to try and NEVER let that happen.

[Spike76]

Shawn, no one thinks it takes only 2 years to grow large pike. My opinions are mine and don't blame them on others. I don't only spear but it is my favorite way to get pike. If I didn't have a place to clean and freeze fish in a reasonable amount of time from catching or spearing, I wouldn't want them, catch and release would be my choice, or to sight fish. The slots should be optional to those who want them. If everyone wants them they would work fine.... Shawn, thanks for coming over from the musky forum, to give some controversy, and something for me to do. Thankyou.

[MJ1657]

Just ignore guys that come over here trolling trying to cause problems.

The thread is about the license cost and not about complaining about slots, regs, etc..

You do more harm then good Spike when you try to turn everything into the whoa is me I am a spear fisherman.

[jasonmichalski]

I agree with Mj don't play the game, pretend there not even there. If they can't get under your skin then they may just stop trying.

[Spike76]

M.J., the liscense costs, the slots, and the regs., all go together. When you live on a lake and experimental regs are on that lake, I've seen the people not wanting to fish because of fear of killing a slot fish. Why did someone come up with an endorsement anyway? I would like to know the reason behind it. To me none of these opinions are a game complaining about slots, it's just saying what I think. I enjoy hearing other views, people don't get under my skin, and it is healthy to vent sometimes.

[Gordie]

Why did someone come up with an endorsement anyway? I would like to know the reason behind it.

Spike the spearing endorsment was at $18.00 for us in the begining now it will be reduced to $5.00 for residents and $10.00 for non residents.

Now I can't tell you for sure why we have had to pay more for a license or endorsemernt for spearing but my guess is its due to the fact that it is a seprate sport in the eyes of the law makers and DNR. To me its kinda like the extra you pay to waterfowl hunt Those stamps are endorsments that are needed to hunt those Migratory birds.

Great question and I think I will look into it much deeper for a answer that I hope you can be satisfied with.

[MJ1657]

The amount of or types of regulations have nothing to do with the price charged for a license.

All whining and complaining does on this board is brings the anti's around. Look back and find posts where non spearing people are on here trying to cause trouble. It almost always starts with a negative post from a spearfisherman.