JGR/Candyland Caught Cheating AGAIN

[LMITOUT]

Unapproved oil pans on the cars of all three teams.

Send'm all home for two weeks. Enough is enough already with the cheating by this organization, but at least it is finally starting to catch up with them.

Karma is a b###h!

[harvey lee]

Seems they are cheating quite a bit. I wionder how they would do if they ran legal.

I did not think a team would cheat so much.

I would give them a few weeks off and take away all thier points as they have more than likely been cheating all along.

I use to have respect for Joe Gibbs but as of late with Candy pants antics and now thier teams all cheating here and there, I do not have much time for them any more.

I wonder how Kyle would run legal if he ever has?????

[LMITOUT]

Some early reports are saying that the illegal oil pans weigh 20-30 lbs.

How much does a legal one weigh you ask?

FOUR!

I don't think they are getting away with 6 point penalties this time.

[RiverFish]

Some early reports are saying that the illegal oil pans weigh 20-30 lbs.

How much does a legal one weigh you ask?

FOUR!

I don't think they are getting away with 6 point penalties this time.

Obviously this makes them faster or they would not do it. Excuse my ignorance, but how does the illegal oil pain make them faster? Thanks.

[harvey lee]

Adding 30 pounds to the bottom of the engine lowers and changes the center of gravity on the chassis. That in turn changes the handing of the car and it will handle better and should corner better. If you can corner better, then one should also have better straightaway speed.

Overall a faster race car.

[RiverFish]

Thanks Harvey.

[lawdog]

Ya Harvey hit it right on the head, its all about weight distribution. Thats the whole key to getting a car to handle is to have the springs/shocks etc keep the weight where you want it. That's why you scale the car, run shaker posts, etc and adjust the setups. They obviously wanted the weight there instead of where they can legally add ballast. I would guess its lowering the center of balance as Harv also mentioned but it could also be that the weight is in the right spot because they need so much percent on the front and so much on the back I believe too.

[harvey lee]

All so true Jeff.

It's all about the set up of the chassis.

[SledNeck]

Quote:

There is no specific weight requirement for oil pans. The only requirement is that the oil pan be made of magnetic steel and a maximum of 10 inches wide.

Hmmmmm

[harvey lee]

There is no specific weight requirement for oil pans. The only requirement is that the oil pan be made of magnetic steel and a maximum of 10 inches wide.

You forgot to add Sled that they also need to be approved parts. We also do not know the size of these pans and they could have been out of the size requirements.

Joe Gibbs racing was using unapproved parts for thier car. They were not approved parts by NASCAR so they are illegal.

I do not know the exact ruling as NASCAR has not decided what the fine or penalty will be.

last year Micheal Waltrip was fined $25,000 for doing the same thing, using unapproved parts on his teams cars or car.

It will be very interesting to see if NASCAR also penalizes the Gibb's racing teams.

It's one thing to try and push the rules to the limit and then again a differnt thing to just go out and cheat.

One can come up with whatever but cheating is cheating any way you look at it. It was a advantage to the car to do this. If it was no big deal, then I wonder why they did not have the part approved?????

If it was no big deal to NASCAR then I woder why they took the parts and said they could not use them????

[trolloni]

What a joke on here ,they put the old pans on and still took the checkers ,its perfectly clear you guys hate toyotas and there drivers so quit all the whining and just say it,whats next on here was it toyotas fault that JR. put her in the fence today ! i can remember a few years ago when all the ernies hated jeff gordon cause he used to beat sr .now hes another sacred cow! dont have any favorite drivers but im sure startin to lean towards whoever beats the sacred cows of hendricks and childres gets you guys cryin all the more! i love it !!

[harvey lee]

They may have changed the pans but what will NASCAR find next????

Let's see 4 illegal items in 7 days and just wondering what will be found next?

I have always said puke could drive and never said anything different.

But with that said, they are a proven bunch of cheaters and thats fact.

I do not believe anyone hates the toyotas and how you came up with that is something, I would guess simply trolling. I have not seen one poster in this thread state they hate Toyotas. Please advise.

I personally have never said one thing about those cars.

You are correct on one thing for sure--what a joke your post is.

[gregg52]

their not winning cuz their cheating

if that was the case they would have alot more wins than they do

1/16 of inch after a race i dont believe is going to win you a race specially when you start the race passing tech

[LMITOUT]

1/16 of inch after a race i dont believe is going to win you a race specially when you start the race passing tech

OK, so last year after a race Bowyer's car was what, 1/60th of an inch off? What happened to him? A 150 point penalty that took him out of contention for the championship.

Candyland has an infraction last weekend and he gets a whopping 6 point penalty?

Obviously the point system is different now, but 6 points this season is equal to 25 points in the old system...25 points is quite a throw from 150.

If you equate the two penalties Candyland should have received a 36 point penalty for just as bad of an infraction as Bowyer, if not worse, if you are going to look at the amount they were out of spec (1/16th to 1/60th).

Today Team Candyland said they determined that the springs compressed more than they thought when they were under operating temperature. Gee whiz, I bet that was just a coincidence, too... YEAH RIGHT!

[gregg52]

cant speak for nascars officating

maybe thats what pi$$ed richard off so bad....lol

[HOF#13]

Simply put....the NASCAR big shots are the most inconsistent sanctioning body in regard to rules, violations, and penalties in all of professional sports.

Their ego's are so big that either they are too dumb to see it, or do not care, that the quality of racing has gone considerably down because of them.

[harvey lee]

NASCAR and the France's like all this controversy as it will bring some back to watch the races.

They will also lose some with no consistancy in the penalties or lack of all together.

I have 3 buddies who use to be diehard fans and don't bother to watch a race anymore as they are so wishy washy with the rules and penalties. I know that I may watch about 50 laps of every race at the most and I use to watch every race and every lap. If I miss a race, no big deal to me anymore.

I know others who quit following NASCAR due to the change to COT cars. The cars seem to be much safer but the racing seems to me to not be what it use to be.

It will be interesting to see if they give any penalties to the JGR team this week.

[SledNeck]

Nice to see JGR and Toyota get the win!!

[Wanderer]

The first win for Toyota at Michigan too according to the stats they posted during the race.

[HOF#13]

Penalty annouced...

FOX SPORTS

NASCAR fined Joe Gibbs Racing's three crew chiefs $50,000 each Tuesday for bringing unapproved oil pans to Michigan last week.

Mike Ford, Dave Rogers and Greg Zipadelli also were placed on probation through the end of the year, as was JGR competition director Jimmy Makar and car chiefs Chris Gillin (No. 11), Wesley Sherrill (No. 18) and Jason Shapiro (No. 20).

NASCAR discovered the unapproved oil pans in the cars of Kyle Busch, Denny Hamlin and Joey Logano during a pre-practice inspection Friday at Michigan International Speedway. NASCAR never said if the oil pans were illegal, but confiscated them because they had not been submitted for approval before arriving at the track.

Team president J.D. Gibbs said the organization mistakenly believed the oil pans would be approved at the track.

''It was our responsibility, and we messed it up,'' Gibbs said Sunday at Michigan. ''It wasn't an illegal part you're trying to sneak through. It's a new part, and we should have done it differently.''

Hamlin won Sunday's race, while Busch finished third.

Gibbs said the team planned to submit the oil pan for approval.

[kbb]

Seems they are cheating quite a bit. I wionder how they would do if they ran legal.

I did not think a team would cheat so much.

I would give them a few weeks off and take away all thier points as they have more than likely been cheating all along.

I use to have respect for Joe Gibbs but as of late with Candy pants antics and now thier teams all cheating here and there, I do not have much time for them any more.

I wonder how Kyle would run legal if he ever has?????

I guess you see it different than NASCAR does after seeing that there was no points taken away today, just fines. So do you think they cheated this past weekend? They must of since 2 of their cars finished so well huh?

[LMITOUT]

They thought the parts would be approved at the track? Come on. The entire team is a bunch of habitual liars. Either that, or they are dumb enough to think people would believe that hogwash. I'm going with the latter.

[harvey lee]

kbb, they did get away with it. A measly 50 grand each to a team with plenty of cash.

I would have bet my life NASCAR would let them get away with it.

When NASCAR starts to hand out penalties for a reduction in points, nothing will change.

NASCAR could really care less about the penalties as they next to never set a guy for a week or take some points away.

Gibbs gave a real good answer, we forgot. Thats a classic.

At that level of racing one does not forget to have a part approved. They new it would only be a dollar fine so lets try it and see if we can get away with it.

CHEATERS plain and simple and I really do not care what NAASCAR says.

Just keep on losing fans doing dumb things like this.

It would not suprise me at all if they had illegal parts on the car. They have proven they will try anything and with no points loss, they win more than the fine would be.

I do not know if I can even stand to watch these races any longer with the way NASCAR lets teams cheat.

Vince McMahom might as well run NASCAR as bad as it is getting.

[kbb]

They're not the only team doing it, some get caught and some don't. You are right, the fines do nothing, and I also agree there is maybe some favoratism(sp?), but it draws attention and that's what they want.

[harvey lee]

I agree that many teams do it. NASCAR should do a much better job. It's not just the JGR teams but many aothers also and they all need a few stiffewr penalties.