Gardenhire, YOU Sir, Are a Flippin [PoorWordUsage].

[SkunkedAgain]

Actually Zepman, I totally agree with your statement about pitchers going the distance. To me the difference is dealing with players that are flirting with injury such as Slowey and now Harden (against the Twins tonight).

Anyways, it's always a "good dilemma" to have to decide how to deal with a shutout or no-hitter.

[zamboni]

Zamboni, you might have forgotten, but gardy did take the twin into the ALCS in his 1st season as manager. So based on your own logic, he has already proven to you that he's a good manager.

Technically, that was a team that was groomed by Kelly, and there were really no roster changes before Gardy took over. They have only had one season since then were they had more wins than the 02 season.

If he were a coach in any other sport, one and dones in many years in the play-offs would mean you would be gone.

[zamboni]

He and Anderson are by far the best at handling and developing pitchers and pitching staffs.

Apology expected!

Did I say developing? Pitching DECISIONS. Putting in wrong pitcher, taking guys out too early, letting other guys go too long. No way am I apologizing. EVERY SINGLE PERSON on here at one point in time has questioned at least one of his pitching decisions.

[zepman]

Skunked...In this case I was referring to the no hitter only..."extraordinary" and "special circumstances" were the words I described the pitchers situation. I would not feel the same way about a shut-out through 7 innings.

[CodyDawg]

zamboni,

there is no way that any manager is going to make every pitching decision correctly over the course of one 162 game season, let alone a bunch of seasons. They have soooo much more research than we do, they know how tired a guy is, they know his mental state, they know the opposing batters, etc. We get convenient 20/20 hindsight.

The Twins get great reviews for their handling of their pitching staff. although I dont agree with every decision, for the most part, Gardy does a real good job.

also, to the point of pitchers looking in the dugout after 5 innings hoping to get taken out....are you kidding me? I have never, EVER seen a pitcher look into the dugout with that look on his face. In fact, most of the time, when they get yanked, they have a look that says they did not want to come out. I have also never heard even one quote to that effect. Maybe i have missed it once in awhile, but it is nowhere near the norm.

[Big Dave2]

also, to the point of pitchers looking in the dugout after 5 innings hoping to get taken out....are you kidding me? I have never, EVER seen a pitcher look into the dugout with that look on his face. In fact, most of the time, when they get yanked, they have a look that says they did not want to come out. I have also never heard even one quote to that effect. Maybe i have missed it once in awhile, but it is nowhere near the norm.

I agree, I have never ONCE seen a pitcher looking to get taken out of the game. If a pitcher is struggling you may see him looking at the dugout WONDERING if he is going to get jerked but never asking to be pulled.

[PierBridge]

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No way am I apologizing.

I know you weren't apologizing to Gardy for calling him a Flippin [PoorWordUsage].

Even though his decision for taking Slowey out was justified 100 percent before during and even more so after Sloweys current stint on the DL.

That's why I Apologized for YOU and excepted the apology on Gardys behalf from YOU!

Hopefully Blackie can continue to pitch well in his absence and slowey can get the arm healed up some what quickly!