Classless Carl

[LMITOUT]

Apparently he isn't going to quit until he kills Brad K. What a pile of garbage and waste of oxygen.

[harvey lee]

I watched that and thought what an [PoorWordUsage]. Yes, if CC continues racing like that, he will kill someone.

I do believe that NASCAR will be having a talk with the DA.

[CPRJoe]

I agree. And I think Nascar should "park him" for at least 1 race.

Followed by Aflac and Scott etc threatening to pull their sponsorship if Edwards stays in the #99. Roush should hire Elliott Sadler NOW!!

No race win is worth a life Carl!!

[jwhjr]

I think some of these guys are feeling a bit too invincible in these cars now.

[TNFL]

What a clouche bag ! Carl is a click head !

[Double D]

Even old man Bob Keselowski was on TV threatening to put the suit back on and take care of it. He was pretty hot in the interview.

DD

[gregg52]

i didnt think it was all his fault

looked like the 22 came up some

[LMITOUT]

[harvey lee]

Yep, Dan, that is funny.

[SkunkedAgain]

I have yet to see the ending yet, but I've read about it and all that I can ask is...how was Edward's move different then Earnhardt's takeout of Terry Labonte at Bristol in 1999? That was one of those "classic NASCAR" moments that helped solidify the elder Earnhardt's legendary status in the sport. Here you have Edwards and Keselowski feuding, but it was essentially the same move on the final lap.

I found an article about the original 1999 event that makes a good point and seems to be still an unresolved issue in NASCAR:

Quote:

Top Row Seat - Bristol Mayhem

Dateline: 08/30/99

Bristol Motor Speedway under the lights is the toughest ticket in NASCAR. This weekend Dale Earnhardt made sure that Bristol night race tickets would be hard to come by for years to come. Unfortunately, although the race was incredibly exciting, this race highlighted NASCAR's biggest problem... inconsistency.

The last lap incident between Dale Earnhardt and Terry Labonte has caused many race fans to strongly question NASCAR's fairness. Although I believe that NASCAR tries very hard to make the best decision available for any given situation it's the appearance of inconsistency and favoritism in this case that makes this non-call a concern.

The Comparison - Incident #1

Earlier in the race Jerry Nadeau received a two lap penalty for what was clearly a mistake. Jerry stood to gain nothing by spinning Jarrett and was simply racing to try to stay on the lead lap when he got into Jarrett's crippled car while racing off of turn four. However, NASCAR felt that there was a valuable lesson to be learned and penalized Jerry for the incident.

Incident #2

Flash back to Sears Point in 1991 when Ricky Rudd followed Davey Allison down into the final corner. In a strikingly similar move to what Earnhardt did weekend Ricky got a little too aggressive and got into the back of Davey spinning him and taking the win. In that instance NASCAR reversed the race results and gave the win to Davey Allison.

Incident #3

The Earnhardt - Labonte incident was clearly intentional contact (Earnhardt admitted he hit him) and certainly Earnhardt stood to gain by taking Terry out. However, NASCAR did not feel that this incident warranted sanctioning of any type.

I'm having a hard time reconciling these events into one cohesive, fair, and just set of rulings.

What Next?

I believe that NASCAR needs to make the rules much clearer. What is a punishable offense on the race track? It is undoubtedly a grey area. Just a couple of years ago Jeff Gordon made the exact same bump-and-run move on Rusty Wallace in the final turn in Bristol to win. Although many chastised Gordon for his racing ethics nobody was calling for the results to be reversed.

The real question is one of limits. Where do you draw the line between a tough pass and a deliberate punt? It's a question NASCAR will have to answer.

[harvey lee]

I don't condone what Earnhardt did either. NASCAR needs to stop the outright hack moves by all. Its one thing to bump and run but when one outright takes one out, thats different.

Edwards did this on purpose to the #22. Only my opinion but I believe Edwards did this solely to crash the 22.

[SkunkedAgain]

Agreed, I don't condone it and it won't stop until NASCAR sets a policy. I think that NASCAR likes the controversy and buzz that these kinds of incidents stir up, so they continue to let it happen. Clearly Edwards has it in from Keselowski, but you can't blame drivers for doing something that is tolerated by NASCAR.

When I play sports, I play with a "do unto others" mantra. Others don't and that's how it is unless those in charge change policy. We can certainly call him Classless Carl but as Earnhardt proved, those type of moves can win championships and endear you to the sport as long as NASCAR sits silent.

[harvey lee]

NASCAR may let it go but it is uncalled for. One could get serioulsy injured.

Edwards did this as a payback and he is nuts.

One can win races by driving a clean race. It's done every day.

[LMITOUT]

The bottom line is you don't bump-n-run on the straight-aways. If he couldn't have moved Brad in the last turn then too bad, that's nobodys fault but Carl's.

[spearchucker]

Why don't they just fight like men and get it done with instead of using the car? Just like hockey. Lets see who can back up their mouth.

[SkunkedAgain]

That's what I thought was humorous about Brad's father saying essentially, 'If he's going to try to kill my boat then I'm gonna suit up and take him out first!' Why go through all that, just clock him in the jaw.

[LMITOUT]

On wind tunnel they asked Harvick about the incident and he said that brad handled it a lot better than he would have, and probably would have walked down to victory lane and punched carl in the mouth.

That's my boy!

[gregg52]

Edwards did this as a payback and he is nuts.

you dont know that you have no idea what carl was thinking i'm sure he was lookin for checkers

its racing boys

if you want to play with puppies stay on the porch!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

havick would get his a$$ kicked good

hes lucky the crowd stoped him back when he went after ricky r

and no offense to bk's old man but he would get his a$$ handed to him to

[LMITOUT]

you dont know that you have no idea what carl was thinking i'm sure he was lookin for checkers

You apparently didn't listen to his post-race interview where he said that he clearly meant to wreck him. End of story.

[gregg52]

i listen to most of it i thought

i never heard him say that

if he did good for him at least he admitted it

and if so.....right end of story...he did what he intended to

[spearchucker]

On wind tunnel they asked Harvick about the incident and he said that brad handled it a lot better than he would have, and probably would have walked down to victory lane and punched carl in the mouth.

That's my boy!

Saying it and doing it are 2 different things. Neither of these 2 are my favorite driver so I don't really care one way or the other. Harvick can say that, but Carl would hand him his butt.

[harvey lee]

You are correct Dan, Carl did say it.

Thats the facts.

It does not matter who can kick what butt, its racing not boxing.

Carl is a fool. No class, just a hillbilly.

[LMITOUT]

Harvick can say that, but Carl would hand him his butt.

The last time they got into it Carl was on his back like a turtle on the hood of a car with Harvick standing over him.

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[gregg52]

i'd like to see that i dont remember that

and the circumstances cuz theres no way havick is whopping edwards