05 Ram Diesel

[MuleShack]

Just had my truck towed in cause it died. I suspected a fuel pump was the issue. They tell me it is a lift pump (which I assume is the fuel pump) and when this went out that it wrecked the injector pump as well. The quote was $4000 to fix...

Just wanted to see if this sounded in the ball park as far as pricing goes.

[BobT]

I just quickly checked the price for the fuel pumps on a 2005 Ford F250 6.0L Diesel at NAPA online.

Injector pump (remanufactured) $330.00

In-tank electric fuel pump $525.00

I don't know how involved it is to replace these but $4,000.00 sounds a bit steep.

For the sake of comparison, I had the engine on my tractor completely rebuilt for about $4,000.00 just five years ago and that included removing the cab, splitting the tractor, radiator flush, boil, and pressure test, rebuilding the hydraulic pump, and remanufacturing the engine starting motor.

Just two years ago I had the rear-end on that tractor rebuilt, whichn included cab removal, splitting the tractor, rebuilding the hydraulic clutch, and brakes, plus they picked it up and returned it. The total cost was $5,660.00 and $2,500.00 of it was a new main drive gear/spline and planetary ring gear.

[PierBridge]

That sounds insane to say the least. I'd get a 2nd or 3rd opinion...

[slurpie]

You should have a fuel pump but not sure about an injection pump. Your engine should be Common rail. I'm not sure an injection pump is used with that system.

[311Hemi]

What all are they replacing, and is this a dealer?

The CP3 fuel injection pump is NOT cheap, $1200 or so priced on a Dodge site ($1450 from Cummins in Maplewood). I am guessing the lift pump may have gone out which then took out the injection pump? The lift pump is probably $200-400 in parts. Add any injectors to that bill and I would guess you have at least a couple thousand in parts, not including the labor.

You may look info a FASS system instead if the in-tank lift pump.

Cummins quoted $459/injector if you need any of those, but I believe there are other injectors you can buy for cheaper. Or you may be able to have the current ones serviced by a certain company.

[Dozer]

I just quickly checked the price for the fuel pumps on a 2005 Ford F250 6.0L Diesel at NAPA online.

Injector pump (remanufactured) $330.00

In-tank electric fuel pump $525.00

I don't know how involved it is to replace these but $4,000.00 sounds a bit steep.

For the sake of comparison, I had the engine on my tractor completely rebuilt for about $4,000.00 just five years ago and that included removing the cab, splitting the tractor, radiator flush, boil, and pressure test, rebuilding the hydraulic pump, and remanufacturing the engine starting motor.

Just two years ago I had the rear-end on that tractor rebuilt, whichn included cab removal, splitting the tractor, rebuilding the hydraulic clutch, and brakes, plus they picked it up and returned it. The total cost was $5,660.00 and $2,500.00 of it was a new main drive gear/spline and planetary ring gear.

He asked about a Ram not a F250.

[Valv]

I just quickly checked the price for the fuel pumps on a 2005 Ford F250 6.0L Diesel at NAPA online.

Injector pump (remanufactured) $330.00

In-tank electric fuel pump $525.00

BobT, I hate to argue with you but I think you're missing a 0 in your pump price, besides injector pumps are not sold at Napa, they are OEM only.

What happened to your motor is a very unlikely situation, the 3rd gen Dodge Cummins have very little failure due to lift pumps/injector pumps problems.

As Hemi311 mentioned your injector pump (called Bosch CP3) should run between $ 1200 and $ 1700 cost, add labor to install, etc.

The fuel system of modern diesel pickups consist in 4 or 5 important elements:

- Fuel pump (lift pump). Usually located inside fuel tank. It transfers (pushes) diesel fuel to Injector pump

- Fuel filter, the name says it all, there are different aftermarket options for better filtration.

- Injector pump. Sends high pressure fuel into each injector, they are computer controlled (of some kind) and they are the main and most expensive unit in the fuel system. Some depends from the lift pump to pickup diesel from tank and/or get lubricated and cooled by the excess flow of fuel. No flow, the pump overheats or seizes due to lack of lubrication (probably what happened to you).

- Pressure rail (if equipped). Controls the pressure of fuel sent to the injectors, overrides injector pump for overflow. It is commonly called Common Rail since it it one unit for all the injectors, it resembles the gas fuel system rail.

- Injectors. Expensive little devices that injects high pressure atomized fuel into cylinders, one per cylinder. Lately they are computer controlled and they can have different spray functions to achieve different results.

The quote was given to you it's is not too much out of line, to be a dealer, but check with another shop.

Also you can check with a truck repair shop, you have the BEST motor on the market , you can go directly to a Cummins dealer and have same service and probably at a discounted price.

[MuleShack]

Thanks for the detailed responses.

The truck just quit running while I was leaving work Thursday morning, so i had to haul it to the first place that came to mind. Yes it is at a dealer. Unfortunately I have my other truck at the shop already getting that running, so this became an emergency and I figured they would be able to do it quicker.

If it would have happened 3K miles ago it would have been covered under warranty yet. This is a big one to chew...just thought i'd check to make sure i wasn't getting taken for a ride.

[shizzy]

Thanks for the detailed responses.

If it would have happened 3K miles ago it would have been covered under warranty yet. This is a big one to chew...just thought i'd check to make sure i wasn't getting taken for a ride.

are you 3k miles past warranty? Have you asked the dealer if he can knock anything off the bill for being just outside the warranty? many times they can recoup some of the cost through the manufactuer and pass the savings on to you. We did this all the time when I worked at a fleet leasing company. Depending on the age and mileage sometimes the cost savings was pretty nice.Granted, the company I worked for owned thousands of vehicles and you are one lone owner, But it can't hurt to ask.

[311Hemi]

I'm assuming your at 103k miles? I think the engine warranty is 100k, at least it was on mine. I agree with shizzy and see if the dealer might work with you a bit for being just out of warranty. If they wont work with on price see if they would let you supply your own parts...although I know you said time is the kicker here to get your truck back asap, so that may limit you a bit.

I also agree with Valv on checking truck shops to see what they would charge, or even call Cummins in Maplewood to see if they can give you an estimate. I find Cummins parts cheaper at Cummins vs dealerships.

[shizzy]

I was also successful many times asking for a "good guy discount" and getting them to knock a few bucks off the top.

There is a mark up on parts as well. sometimes I was able to have them talk to the parts department and they were able to charge less markup for the parts if they werent willing to go down on the labor.

once again, it cant hurt to ask.

[jeffreyd]

Call cummins and ask them for prices, go around the dodge side of it. I would also call a diesel shop that deals with bosch and find out what they charge, seems that you could go reman much cheaper or have the pump rebuilt if possible. I think there are way more options than the dealer. good luck

[BobT]

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BobT, I hate to argue with you but I think you're missing a 0 in your pump price, besides injector pumps are not sold at Napa, they are OEM only.

You missed it. I did say it was a remanufactured pump, not new.

I know he said RAM. I just referenced the Ford only for reference sake. I didn't expect a real significant difference in price. But I did just double-check and you know what I did? I priced the injectors, not the injector pump. My bad.

I still find it hard to believe that I can have my tractor split, the engine removed and rebuilt, cooling system pressure tested and cleaned, and the hydraulic pump rebuilt all for about the same price. Whew. They know what they want for those pumps I guess.

[Valv]

After replying to your post I thought more at this and I am pretty sure you just have the lift pump gone bad, not your Injector pump. The CP3s are practically fail proof.

Have another mechanic take a look at it, you might get away with just few hundreds. Have them check fuel pressure before Injector pump and at common rail.