permit to purchase?

[jloomis]

i was wondering if i still needed to get a permit to purchase for a shotgun or rifle? i know that it applies to handguns but not sure if it applies to shotguns and rifles. i just haven't renew mines. some people are telling me i need it and some say shotguns and rifles don't need it but they still do the normal background check.

[Neighbor_guy]

Last I checked you do not need a purchase permit for a long gun. With a couple of exceptions. Example's would be; TC Encore or Contender need to have a permit because they can be changed to handguns.

[RumRiverRat]

Never have needed one for Shotguns and Rifles as long as they are not classified as Assault Rifles.

[MNmikew]

Never have needed one for Shotguns and Rifles as long as they are not classified as Assault Rifles.

Yes so-called assault rifles do need the purchase permit.

[chub]

Since when? It's been a few years since I purchased what people would lable an assault rifle, but there was no permit needed then, and I've heard no talk of needing one now, other than here.

It's just another long gun as far as I know. Standard background check. Unless somethings changed, and that would be sad.

[morefishplease]

Yes something has changed.....You do NEED a permit to purchase any military style assault rifle in MN. IMO I think it is stupid to have a permit to purchase for semi-auto assault rifles

[picksbigwagon]

when did that change? I bought my AR-15 3 years ago and I didn't need a permit to purchase.....

[mamohr686]

AR-15 style rifles can be converted to a pistol, and I think that has a lot do to with it. I bought a Colt LEO 6940 a month ago from a local dealer and they didn't require a permit, even though I had one. Some stores such as gander mountain have a policy in place that requires the permit, even though it's not a state requirement that I know of. Frankly, I'm surprised you can even own colapasable stocks and 30rnd mags in the liberal republic of Minnesota. I wish we could own suppresors and full autos like other states.

[chub]

Which states allow full autos? None since around 1930 or there abouts.

I see alot of AR's on the shelve's with compensators on the barrels. That must have went away with the Assault Weapon Ban expiration.

I'm guessing the permit may be vendor policy, but as far as a state requirement, I'm skeptical.

[mamohr686]

It is a common misconception that machine guns and suppressors (silencers) cannot be owned by law-abiding citizens. This comes from the creation of a variety of confusing laws that have made purchasing a full-auto gun more difficult than purchasing a "normal" gun. But, you can comply with the law and own a machine gun.

First a little history: In May of 1986, certain laws went into effect that made it illegal for 'civilians' to own fully automatic firearms that were manufactured AFTER THAT DATE. Most fully automatic weapons manufactured and registered BEFORE MAY, 1986, MAY BE OWNED BY AND SOLD TO INDIVIDUALS. The full-auto guns that may be owned by individuals are called 'transferable'. Some states DO NOT allow machine gun ownership at all, no matter when the gun was made, but most states do.

To purchase a transferable machine gun, you must meet certain requirements (generally the same as when you purchase another gun), fill out special paperwork (called a 'form 4'), and pay a $200, one-time, transfer tax. Every time a machine gun is transferred, the $200 tax must be paid-- usually by the purchaser. The steps to take to purchase a transferable machine gun are:

Find a dealer locally who can assist you in all phases of the transfer. This should go beyond helping you fill out the paperwork: they should help you locate the gun if it isn't in stock and allow you to shoot the gun while your paperwork is being processed by the BATF (Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms). It will usually take 4-6 weeks for the dealer to get the gun from another dealer if they don't already have it in stock (due to BATF paperwork delays).

Get your fingerprints (either by a police dept. or by a qualified fingerprinter, two imprints are needed) and two passport sized pictures taken. These will be used to perform a comprehensive criminal background check on you.

Have your local dealer help you fill out an "Application for Tax Paid Transfer And Registration Of Firearm" for, known as a "form 4".

You must have the signature of the Chief Law Enforcement (CLEO) officer that has jurisdiction over the municipality in which you live on the form 4. This could be the City Chief or the County Sheriff, for example. This is usually not a problem-- in machine gun friendly states.

The form 4, CLEO signature, 2 fingerprint cards, 2 pictures, and a $200 check (your one-time transfer tax) must all be mailed to the BATF and an approved tax stamp returned before you may take possession of the gun. This may take anywhere from 2 to 5 months.

[fishlakeman]

What!? It takes the Government that long to process!? There usually so speedy and efficient with everything...like the DMV, Post Office, Cash for Clunkers, and the 100,000 other programs.

Serious though, thanks for the information, that is some great stuff that I've always been curious about as to what kind of red tape a guy has to go through for an auto.

[RumRiverRat]

AR-15 style rifles can be converted to a pistol, and I think that has a lot do to with it. I bought a Colt LEO 6940 a month ago from a local dealer and they didn't require a permit, even though I had one. Some stores such as gander mountain have a policy in place that requires the permit, even though it's not a state requirement that I know of. Frankly, I'm surprised you can even own colapasable stocks and 30rnd mags in the liberal republic of Minnesota. I wish we could own suppresors and full autos like other states.

You are wrong about a few things.

You cannot just put a pistol upper on an AR-15 Lower, this would be considered a Short Barreled Rifle.

It is a state law that you need a Permit to Purchase(Permit to Carry works too.) to purchase Assault Style Weapons in MN.

The dealer that you bought your Colt from will get in trouble if the ATF audits his books and there is not a copy of your DL and Permit to Purchase filed with the 4473.

A person who wishes to purchase a pistol or assault weapon

from a federally licensed firearms dealer must either obtain a

transferee permit from the local police chief or sheriff or

submit to a background check to determine eligibility to

possess the weapon. A person need not obtain a transferee

permit if the person already possesses a valid permit to carry

a pistol. Minn. Stat. §§ 624.7131; 624.7132