Trading or releasing T-Jack by Friday?

[Iron Cowboy]

Man this thread could go on forever, it should be labeled the eternal optomist's against the rest. Now were comparing supporting staff? Bottom line is if a Q.B in the NFL is ever going to be great he has shown it by his third year regardless of starts. In other words if he's good enough in practice he gets starts...the coaches that watch these guys and interact every day in practice obviously have an idea of what it takes in the nfl. Unless maybe the rubes on here know more than the guys that get millions a year to determine this, (which some apparently seem to think)

you T.Jack lovers name me some nfl greats that didnt do so good or quite get it for the first THREE years in the league and then broke out in the fourth or fifth year? He might make a serviceable back-up for his career but will NEVER be great (Duh Favre is hall of fame) and if he wont be GREAT why does anyone care? He has already shown he will NEVER lead a team on his own shoulders so who's cares if he is with the team or not? Fishin58 since you seem to be the guy with the "man crush" If you want to save this thread and bet me....if in two years he is something special and has numbers equal to or better than Favre in that year I will pay you whatever you want to make public that you bet me (money where mouth is) no matter the amount...cash talks bull$hit walks...doubt I will get any action.

[Rick]

Rich Gannon and Drew Brees both come to mind off the top of my mind as QBs who had great seasons after their third season. Both with differant teams than their original impatient teams.

It remains to be seen what T-Jack will amount to.

As for the great NFL minds Kurt Warner was an afterthought who had some great seasons as well.

I'm sure there are more.

[FISHINGURU]

some players develop more or have more opportunity in a new system.

junkson and our playing style don't match...maybe he needs a new start with another team...i'm game for that!!

can't wait to see who our new qb will be after favre.

[LMITOUT]

Jackson would fit well with Detroit.

Terrible QB on a terrible team.

[FISHINGURU]

junkson the jag

[AWH]

Man this thread could go on forever, it should be labeled the eternal optomist's against the rest.

Or it could be labeled as guys that are willing to look at a situation objectively against the rest.

The Drew Brees comparison is actually an excellent one per how this debate on here has been. That's not saying that Jackson will ever be what Brees has become or even close. If Brees continues to play like he has the last couple years for another 6 years, he will pretty much be a lock for the Hall of Fame, especially if he's able to win the big game. What's a good comparison is how their careers started out.

Through Brees' first 3 seasons, he was average at best. His 4th and 5th year he was very good. But the Chargers, for whatever reason, believed that he didn't have "it". How many times have we seen that comment about Jackson on this thread? The Chargers had plenty of time to to evaluate his talent, having him for 5 years. But they decided to go in another direction. Granted, Rivers was a very good option to go to, an alternate option that the Vikings haven't had. But the point is, SD didn't believe that Brees had what it took, so they decided to give up on him and go with an unproven player.

Why are the beginning stages of their careers such a bad comparison? Do you think anyone today would say that Brees doesn't have "it" like they were after his 3rd or 4th seasons? He did play 5 years in SD. And I think at that point, SD realized that they made a mistake on judging Drew Brees too early...that they didn't need to use the pick that they used on Rivers for a QB.

Aaron

[koonie]

Did you ever watch Brees play in his first three years? Obviously not.

[AWH]

I watched Brees play and he was very average in his first 3 seasons. He turned the corner in a huge way in his 4th season with SD. Night and day difference from his 3rd to 4th year.

Aaron

[Shack]

Well I guess Vikes org., Childness and the majority of Viking fans think Junkson is better than Sage!

This thread is not dead I guess until the Oct. trade deadline, but who was the backup Q today? Again?

Come on guys!

Tarvarious "Rex" "future Hall O Fame" Jackson

Either Childness knows what he is doing and sees/feels the potential, or he is one heck of a good used car salesman

Hey! There is some good to Sage. He sure looks good on the sidelines holding a clipboard and wearing headphones. He may have a future as an OF coordinator Maybe.

[LMITOUT]

I will say this, if T-Jack is in the game SF doesn't return that blocked FG for a TD before halftime, because T-jack would have never got them down the field to even have an attempt at the FG.

So I suppose having T-Jack around isn't a bad thing.

[AWH]

Actually, if T-Jack was the QB today instead of Favre, they may not have needed to come back and win at the end because they would have already had the game in hand. Favre is the hero because he came up huge when it mattered. But he didn't have a great game. Vikings could have/should have won easily today.

I make my T-Jack comment tongue in cheek, because unlike some people, I'm not able to draw conclusions on something that never happened. But it's not far fetched at all to think that Jackson could have had a better performance than Favre today, minus the final drive.

Aaron

[traveler]

If Jackson were QB today we'd have gotten smoked, period. They shut down AP, Jackson would have folded like a cheap suit.

[alwaysonthemove]

Actually, if T-Jack was the QB today instead of Favre, they may not have needed to come back and win at the end because they would have already had the game in hand. Favre is the hero because he came up huge when it mattered. But he didn't have a great game. Vikings could have/should have won easily today.

I make my T-Jack comment tongue in cheek, because unlike some people, I'm not able to draw conclusions on something that never happened. But it's not far fetched at all to think that Jackson could have had a better performance than Favre today, minus the final drive.

Aaron

where in the world do you live on the moon?

get real

[AWH]

Exactly the kinds of comments I was expecting from the T-Jack haters. Do I think that the Vikings would have won easily if T-Jack was in there instead of Favre? Absolutely not. Do I think the Vikings would have won without Favre today? Probably not. But I'm also willing to admit that T-Jack could have very well played better than Favre today. Take away the final drive and who honestly thinks Favre had a great game today? I'm not taking anything away from what the guy did today. But it's allowed to do more than just worship the guy and be critical of the bad things he did today as well. The second to last drive he nearly sealed the game for the Niners. Dre Bly could have easily taken it the other way for 6. In addition to being good, you need to be lucky sometimes too, and Favre was both today.

Aaron

[traveler]

And jackson would have to have been VERY lucky to have kept it close. Hey, I'm not a jackson hater, but when they shut down the run and games were on his shoulders, he showed he didn't have what it takes to win. Favre didn't have a great game, timing with wideouts needs work, but he did ENOUGH. Theres the difference.

[gr8icefishinmind]

If Jackson were QB today we'd have gotten smoked, period. They shut down AP, Jackson would have folded like a cheap suit.

Exactly what he was talkin about, you all ASSUME these things when you really have no idea how things would have turned out!!

[gr8icefishinmind]

And jackson would have to have been VERY lucky to have kept it close. Hey, I'm not a jackson hater, but when they shut down the run and games were on his shoulders, he showed he didn't have what it takes to win. Favre didn't have a great game, timing with wideouts needs work, but he did ENOUGH. Theres the difference.

And all of that was BEFORE this season, people do learn from year to year and get better!! Be optimistic!

[traveler]

ummm...aren't we all just expressing opinions on what we think would happen?? Mine is based on his past performence, which is the best indicator we have of what he'd have done if he'd have been in there today.

[AWH]

I don't know, I love the "they shut down AP so T-Jack would have sucked and the Vikings would lose" comments. I'm sure everyone knows that AP only ran for 3 yards the last time they faced the Niners. Does everyone also realize that the Vikings won that game 27-7 and T-Jack was the QB? The game after that, AP didn't do too well either. But T-Jack was QB and they won. This was actually during the middle of winning 6 out of 7. The only loss being a game where Jackson didn't play due to injury. Two of those wins were games where AP didn't play at all. And only one where he ran for over 100 yards. How quickly we forget. Or act like it didn't happen...

And gr8icefishinmind is correct. There's no way to know what would happen. You put different personnel in the game or have different results on even a single play, it can change the entire course of a game. You put T-Jack in that game and it's possible they win by 20, it's possible they lose by 20. As they say, that's why they play the game!

Aaron

[BlueLundFishrman]

Yeah it's hard to believe the Vikings keep a future Hall of Fame QB like T-Jack on the bench.

[AWH]

T-Jack is right where he belongs. That's not the point of anyone here that believes he has a future.

Aaron

[Scott M]

If Favre keeps taking shots like he did again today or decides to go throw some blocks he's going to be missing a few games. Then we'll be happy we got Sage and kept T Jack.

[AWH]

Right on there! You have to love the way the guy plays. But let's hope he remembers he's 40 and doesn't attempt to take on the middle linebackers of every team!

Aaron

[MuskyChad]

I think Favre played pretty well, minus a few passes. We also had to many drops especially Berrian. Hopefully it all comes together next week! I feel he is getting more comfortable each game. T-Jack has a way to go to be a quality NFL starter.

Chad

[BlueLundFishrman]

Yeah got to wonder if the $12 million dollar man will be there when they need him to be in January.