Trading or releasing T-Jack by Friday?

[PierBridge]

That's funny LMIT good one!

No suprise T-Jack is the back up if you've followed the sitiuation at all with a shread of common sense, objectivity or reality!

[AWH]

After #4 methodically ran the offense to a large lead

That was #28 that did that. Favre did well on his hand off skills as well. Must have learned that from T-Jack!

Aaron

[alwaysonthemove]

typical one defensevive line man crossed the line of schrimage and t-jack was flushed imediately. and then tries to throw on the run from no one off of his back foot!

[gr8icefishinmind]

The haters are out again with their stupid comments that make NO sense whats so ever!!!

[fishin58]

Man I cannot believe Bert didnt throw for 300 yards and make the defense pay for stacking the box every play like all you guys said he would!!!! LOL

But if TJ goes 14/21 for 110 yards....he is the worst QB on the planet.

SKOL Vikes!!!!!!

[alwaysonthemove]

If favre would of tossed for 300 yds too today they would of set some kinda record. score woulda been like 67 - 13 I thought he managed great

[LOTWSvirgin]

[CodyDawg]

Well let me add up all of TJacks 300....ah make that 250 yard games...okay...carry the 2.....exacty Zero, Zilch, Nada. Okay, lets add up Brett's....doggone it, I dont have that many fingers and toes!!!

Lets see how many Brett has in his first 19 starts for the purple and then we will compare.

And as usual, there is a lack of understanding of defensive schemes and how they play vs certain QBs. Cleveland had to play honest against Brett as they know he can beat them with a mid to long range pass. Cleveland also knows that Tarvaris cannot, so they would not play the same defense against him. Against Tarvaris, they would just hold up a sign that says "We double...strike that... TRIPLE DOG DARE you to throw the ball on us TJACK!!!"

[fishin58]

So did you watch the game?? That is exactly the point of my post, you clowns bring up 300 yard this 200 yard that. A win is a win. Our O is not designed to have a 300 yard passer. TJ plays a more efficient game then Bert does. But when TJ does it he gets labeled dumb and he cant read a defense, but when Favre does it he gets hailed as a game manager.

Like I have said numerous times I could care less about 300 yards!! As long as we win!!

If you think they played honest, you need to watch the film again.

[PierBridge]

Good points Fish58!

I do prefer Bert over T-Jack for obvious reasons at this point and I think we'll win one or hopefully 2 more games with Favre leading us over T-Jack but I have my doubts as good as T-Jack has progressed going back to the end of last season and all through this pre-season.

We win this game just as easily with T-Jack or even Rage leading us.

It was the correct call to have T-Jack be the back up today it shows the team that effort and results from both training camp and the pre-season mean something. T-Jack earned this inspite of what the haters would lead you to believe!

I do expect Sage to get some reps as the back-up as we're committed to him longer term!

Skoal Vikes!

[Born2Fish]

I can't argue with you guys about this one. With the exception of a few bootlegs that were caused by some pressure from the defensive line(Favre was sacked a few times so it is acceptable), TJ did what he had to do with some junk time. I am not sure if this means he is progressing by any means(he still has to be a starter for a FULL year first), but at least it is a start in the right direction. And no, I am not eating crow about what I have previously said of TJ. I am only being a realist now that the season has started and opening my eyes and being fairly objective to the guy. I still think he has a ways to go.

[PierBridge]

Good post!

[fishin58]

Well congrats on becoming a realist B2fish jk. Like I said I am happy we won but people have to realize what our team and O our designed to do and Bert managed the game well. Which is what our team needs.

[CodyDawg]

I tell ya what, it is senseless arguing over 1 game. Lets see after the first quarter of the season. we didnt need to pass and there are certainly games Tjack is capable of winning when we do not. Tjack, however, is NOT capable of winning when we DO need a good passing effort. Brett is. that is the difference and it has been proven over 3 seasons.

But I will end with this...out offense is not designed to NOT have big passing days.

[PierBridge]

Tjack, however, is NOT capable of winning when we DO need a good passing effort. Brett is. that is the difference and it has been proven over 3 seasons.

How do you know this Cody? Do you have a Cyrstal ball or sumptin!

And Frankly Favre is only one that has proven he can't get the job done passing in the latter parts of the year and the playoff's over the last 3 seasons. Oh that's right though T-Jacks 1st ever playoff game is the end all be all. He's played less than one full year by the way not 3 my friend!

[Born2Fish]

Well to be completely honest Pier, Favre was hurt(he had an interview where he said he thought he could not play last year after he got hurt). But this is a new year, under a new team. I have a TON of confidence that Brett can. get it done. He is proven, and is really a lot better than our other 2 options. I do also agree that TJ has not shown too much when it really counts. I have to refer to the playoff game. He showed signs of giving up, and really we do not need that. I just hope that he gets beyond that loss and can rally when we actually need him. If Brett does retire(and un-retire 50 times!), and there is a QB competition between him and Sage, I just want him to show that he can be the QB we need when the going gets tough. I can also see the Vikings moving up in the draft next year to select one of the top tier QB's(Tebow,Bradford or McCoy). But we all know Floridas track record at producing NFL quality QB's and Texas hasn't done that much better.

[CodyDawg]

How do I know that TJack cant come through when we need it? Cuz he never has through 19 starts over the course of 3 seasons. Not once. Zero times in 19 starts. 0 for 19. I just dont know how else to say it. Brett is arguably in the top 5 all time. He can certainly do it. If he isnt healthy, well sure he wont be able to, but then again I dont think TJack can do it if he is hurt either. And who is injury prone and who has started 270 games in a row?

Just for the record, are you saying (or is anyone saying) that TJack would be a better QB for this team right now?

[fishin58]

Not a doubt in my mind, for this year and many after that. .

So you are really trying to say that in 19 started games by TJ they have not won a game. Do you have any brain cells that have met?

So I bet if asked this question today. Did Bert win the game for the Vikes yesterday? You would say yes.

[LMITOUT]

I have no problem saying that of the games he played in and the Vike's won, he really didn't have any impact in the overall outcome of most of them.

In fact, if it wasn't for the defense and/or special team play in those wins we wouldn't be having this discussion, because all those "W"s become "L"s and the supporters would have run him out of town already.

[koonie]

Not a doubt in my mind, for this year and many after that. .

So you are really trying to say that in 19 started games by TJ they have not won a game. Do you have any brain cells that have met?

So I bet if asked this question today. Did Bert win the game for the Vikes yesterday? You would say yes.

Sorry but you can't possibly believe Jackson is a better qb for us than favre. That statement just PROVED you just like to stir the pot. On the other hand we now officially have the dumbest statement in the history of Fishing Minnesota.

[walleyes12]

Not a doubt in my mind, for this year and many after that. .

Oh My! Honestly, you really think TJ is better than Favre right now? Oh boy, you jumped off the deep end

[Rick]

I can't argue with you guys about this one. With the exception of a few bootlegs that were caused by some pressure from the defensive line(Favre was sacked a few times so it is acceptable), TJ did what he had to do with some junk time. I am not sure if this means he is progressing by any means(he still has to be a starter for a FULL year first), but at least it is a start in the right direction. And no, I am not eating crow about what I have previously said of TJ. I am only being a realist now that the season has started and opening my eyes and being fairly objective to the guy. I still think he has a ways to go.

Good Post Born2Fish. It's refreshing to see someone honestly evaluate a situation that involves T-Jack.

[fishin58]

Just stating my opinion, I honestly believe Favres arm and body will not hold up. That is what I think.

[Rick]

With this team built to win right now, I prefer Favre starting over T-jack. T-Jack is still developing.

As Gil Brandt said and I believe as well, at this stage in Favre's career I really don't see a huge drop-off from Favre to T-jack and even less of a drop-off from T-Jack to Sage. We have a very good team with very good back-ups at the QB position.

All TRUE Vikes fans should be feeling good about our quality depth at QB and what has gone down so far at that position.

[PierBridge]

Well to be completely honest Pier, Favre was hurt(he had an interview where he said he thought he could not play last year after he got hurt). But this is a new year, under a new team. I have a TON of confidence that Brett can. get it done. He is proven, and is really a lot better than our other 2 options. I do also agree that TJ has not shown too much when it really counts. I have to refer to the playoff game. He showed signs of giving up, and really we do not need that. I just hope that he gets beyond that loss and can rally when we actually need him. If Brett does retire(and un-retire 50 times!), and there is a QB competition between him and Sage, I just want him to show that he can be the QB we need when the going gets tough. I can also see the Vikings moving up in the draft next year to select one of the top tier QB's(Tebow,Bradford or McCoy). But we all know Floridas track record at producing NFL quality QB's and Texas hasn't done that much better.

Another rock solid evaluation!

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