Trading or releasing T-Jack by Friday?

[PierBridge]

Shoulda woulda coulda.... we are in tough sitiuation here if we only had known Favor was coming we would have not wasted the money on Often-Fails and our QB situation would be solid with T-Jack and Booty 2 and 3. Unfortuanely now with T-Jack starting to show his potential it's a tough situation to just give up on him now...

Inspite of what Jimmy says a lot of this will have to do with money and that means T-Jack may be the odd man out...

Sure would be nice to keep T-Jack around a while watching and learning from Favre for a season or two!

Haven't heard yet but I would assume it's Sages turn to start Friday? Hopefully he hasn't lost all hope knowing he's the 3rd man here for the time being. What a roller coaster for Sage going from a possible starting roll to what looks like 3rd team right now... Cruel Game!

[james_walleye]

So for all you that whined about TJ with his hat on backwards during the game. So what are comments to the Bert Royalty and allowing him to "skip" the final preseason game.

You don't see the problem with this?? This is where the schism is, for TJ that has worked his tail off FOR the Vikings the last 3 years and Bert to come in and not show up and get all the luxuries.

Jim I would gladly hold the clipboard for the Vikes, they might let you be the waterboy with all your in-depth knowledge. But in the end we would trade you and your boy Sage back to the Texans for some candy bars and powerade.

Glad to see you cant take reality.

Pot meet kettle. Reality LOL. From a guy whos tossing out Mannings numbers and comparing them to Jacksons as if the stats tell the whole story. Have you figured out yet why no other Jackson backers backed you up on that? Or as im guessing, its way over your head. You are so far removed from reality its bordering on unbelievable. My friend may be right after all, it does seem that you are simply playing devils advocate here. There is no way you actually believe what you put on this board.

Why won't you man up and put the top 20 QB's according to rating in 2008 up here statboy? Why is that? Is it because it shows that stats arent the whole story?

[james_walleye]

Shoulda woulda coulda.... we are in tough sitiuation here if we only had known Favor was coming we would have not wasted the money on Often-Fails and our QB situation would be solid with T-Jack and Booty 2 and 3. Unfortuanely now with T-Jack starting to show his potential it's a tough situation to just give up on him now...

Inspite of what Jimmy says a lot of this will have to do with money and that means T-Jack may be the odd man out...

Sure would be nice to keep T-Jack around a while watching and learning from Favre for a season or two!

Haven't heard yet but I would assume it's Sages turn to start Friday? Hopefully he hasn't lost all hope knowing he's the 3rd man here for the time being. What a roller coaster for Sage going from a possible starting roll to what looks like 3rd team right now... Cruel Game!

You are in complete denial if you think that reason #1 in a possible trade including Jackson is anything other than the vikings organization not believing he can be their starter in the future.

Your line about Sage doesnt need a comment, anyone living in reality knows what the real story is.....

[zamboni]

Tice was a good coach, but he was too buddy/buddy with the players and let alot of stuff slide, that is what led to his canning, and will be the reason he won't be a head coach again in the NFL. With his size he should have been tougher and more disciplining with the players

[FISHINGURU]

man some of you guys are to funny...its common knowledge that starters don't normally play the last preseason game...that explains alot if you didn't know that.

lets hope we can move this guy soon!!

no one will ever listen to a guy that compares junksons stats to good qbs and thinks schisms happen because brett doesn't start in the final preseason game lmmfao...fishin you should be a writer for yahoo!

[fishin58]

So how am I in denial??? Let me see, TJ puts up better stats then DMcnabb in a similar system with less to work with then Dmac? HMMmmmmm Then put his stats against the best QB in the game for his first 19 games and you get upset??? Its not like I pulled 19 random games...It was both of there first 19 games.

Jim, I do see you are not man enough to tackle the Mcnabb debate. Why is that?

I will give you one of the best stats for 2008.

[LMITOUT]

Let me get this straight.

T-Jack has now been compared to Manning, McNabb, and Brady.

You've got to be kidding me.

[PerchJerker]

Let me get this straight.

T-Jack has now been compared to Manning, McNabb, and Brady.

No, that is not correct. His first 19 games are being compared to the first 19 games those other quarterbacks played. Stop distorting it.

[LMITOUT]

There is no distortion at all.

It was easy to tell those other three had "it" even if their first 19 games may not have been so rosy. T-Jack on the other hand has never had "it" in 19 games and won't have "it" in 119 games. As they say, he has no football IQ. Athletic? Sure. But that means nothing.

[fishin58]

So you can completely base this on 19 games. Gruden, Bud Grant, Phill Simms to name few must have zero football IQ. I never put him against Brady but that is a whole another debate.

The luxury of a QB being able to sit there first couple years behind a good QB. Romo, Rodgers,Cassel,Rivers,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

[fishin58]

Steve Youngs first 19 games.....

267/501 53% Yards 3217 TDS 11 Ints 21 QB Rate 60

He was ruled a bust and the Bucs drafted Vinny T. and Young was then traded to the niners.

I bet most niner fans are glad they didn't pull the plug after 19 games!!

[Shack]

man some of you guys are to funny...its common knowledge that starters don't normally play the last preseason game...that explains a lot if you didn't know that.

Ya most starter QB's play the first three PS games in some fashion though and all days of training camp. I figured with how preseason went, first string would be playing at least a couple series, but then again we are talking about Favre here I guess though with 3 quarts just on Monday and then the last game being on a Friday now, that is pretty close. Chilly must have gotten Favre's signature that all is ok with our starting line Do we even have a starting defensive line this year? Do we need one?

Still all in all, pretty pumped to watch this forth preseason game . Always start game day off this way and when it comes down to it, bail

Speaking of bail! Is Booty's brother back on the street yet?

Nothing like family when an NFL player Just be careful when you lend your car to your cousin's, brother's, sister's, mother's boyfriend for the afternoon

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[PierBridge]

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You are in complete denial if you think that reason #1 in a possible trade including Jackson is anything other than the vikings organization not believing he can be their starter in the future.

Not surprising you'd take that ludicrous view of things. I understand you are clues-less on how things work in the NFL from a business side, not even your minions would believe what you are saying to be true. But as you have proved time and time again, redundantly, how open minded and rational you thinking are.....

So Jim if T-Jack was signed to a 9 million contract and Sage was restricted free-agent do you actually believe, no strike that you do believe it, that the Vikings would still trade or release T-Jack.... ?... If so ROTFLMAO!

Not even LIMIT who I understand can't side with me on this in an open forum would believe that STUPIDITY!

[AWH]

You guys are trying to read way too much into fishin58's stat comparison of T-Jack to those other QBs. Unless I missed it, nowhere did he say that T-Jack is as good as those guys or ever will be as good as them.

To compare T-Jack's stats to the stats of those other guys in their first hand full of games is actually very relevant in this discussion. True, there's way more to what's going on then just what the stats show. But when most of the T-Jack detractors here are essentially saying that he's a horrible QB and doesn't deserve an NFL roster spot, it shows that there will be no convincing you otherwise on the matter. Reason won't work. About the only thing that could MAYBE open your eyes a little bit is to look at stats. Do they not clearly show that he's not nearly as bad as the picture that is being painted here? That maybe he really is deserving of being an NFL QB?

If he was as bad as is being portrayed here, his STATS would be terrible, to back up what is being said about his decision making and other on field performances. No one here is saying he's the greatest. But if I was to take the word of the T-Jack haters here at face value, T-Jack would stack up with the worst QBs to ever put on a purple jersey. If this last statement is an accurate reflection of anyone's feelings, this says a lot about the credibility of these statements.

Aaron

[alwaysonthemove]

IF T jack is so darn good then why haven't anybody been knocking doors down to get him???????

From what I here nobody wants him

[AWH]

From what I here nobody wants him

Who are your NFL sources that you're talking to? I don't have any myself. So I can only speculate, which isn't worth much. I'm reading all kinds of speculation on what's going on, but since none of these sources are confirming any of this information with MN Vikings personnel, it's nothing but speculation and worth very little until something actually happens.

"From what I hear", there are plenty of teams that would want T-Jack. But you have to give up something to get something. And both sides have to agree to the trade and feel it's in their best interest. This isn't baseball. No one knocks down the doors to make trades in the NFL.

Aaron

[Fish Head]

If they can't get decent compensation for TJack, I hope they cut booty and keep TJack. Remember, he played Division II in college! He started WAY behind the learning curve. He is still far from a finished product, but I think he still has some upside. The kid should have sat on a bench for 3-4 years before ever getting in a meaningful NFL game. They rushed him along too fast for a kid that played DII.

A while back, the Vikings gave up on another developing QB and he went on to become the league MVP.... Rich Gannon. I AM NOT SAYING THAT TJACK WILL EVER BE A LEAGUE MVP. I'm just pointing out that sometimes giving up on a player too early can come back to bite you. Just some food for thought...

[AWH]

A while back, the Vikings gave up on another developing QB and he went on to become the league MVP.... Rich Gannon. I AM NOT SAYING THAT TJACK WILL EVER BE A LEAGUE MVP.

Good thing you spelled that out or you would have been burned at the cross for saying T-Jack is destined to be the league MVP some day. Apparently you can't use examples without folks thinking you are saying this IS what T-Jack is or will be!

Patience and wanting or having a willingness to develop players isn't an an attribute that most fans have. Just a simple fact. Most fans only care about results and they want results now, if not sooner. Being able to look beyond immediate results and being able to look down the road typically yields more rational thoughts.

Fact is, when you look at player development (in any sport), you're also going to deal with failure. Not every situation is going to lead to big results. This is why most fans (I believe) don't want anything to do with developing talent. They want someone else to do it and we can go after that talent when they're ready. This is why so many people get frustrated with the Twins. They focus on developing their own talent while fans want them to be more like the Yankees. Somewhere in the middle will usually lead to the best results.

Back to the Vikings. I believe that the people that want T-Jack gone are the same fans that want the Twins to be like the Yankees (if money weren't an issue). But you only play one QB at a time. Why you wouldn't want anything to do with having a guy like T-Jack on your roster is baffling to me. Are there better options? Or is it a fear that if Favre goes down that Vikings coaches will believe that T-Jack is better than Sage?

I'm failing to see how people think the Vikings awould be better off to cut ties with Jackson for essentially nothing. If you think it's because Booty is better than him (or will be better than him), great. At least there would be reasoning behind it. Flawed (in my opinion), but reasoning.

In all of the "get rid of T-Jack" comments I see, there is rarely anything to support how the Vikings will be better without him. It's just a matter of "I don't like him", "he's no good", "he doesn't get it". OK, great! But how are you going to make the Vikings better by getting rid of him? This should be the goal with any roster move.

Aaron

[LMITOUT]

It's really puzzling to hear the support for this guy. I almost wonder if some are doing it just to push other's buttons, because it absolutely makes no sense at all. They honestly cannot say/type that stuff with a straight face.

Truly mind bottling.

And about the hypothetical of T-Jack having a $9M contract....the person who authorizes that should be fired on the spot. Oh wait, the guy who authorized drafting T-Jack was fired.

[fishin58]

Good post AWH, that is exactly it, we are at the brink with TJ. I for one think he will go on to be a good NFL QB. Post Bert, do we start the magical Viking go-round again. 10 year journeymen Sage or a no experience Booty. And then we have to draft or try to trade for a serviceable QB AGAIN. How does this make any sense?

[james_walleye]

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You are in complete denial if you think that reason #1 in a possible trade including Jackson is anything other than the vikings organization not believing he can be their starter in the future.

Not surprising you'd take that ludicrous view of things. I understand you are clues-less on how things work in the NFL from a business side, not even your minions would believe what you are saying to be true. But as you have proved time and time again, redundantly, how open minded and rational you thinking are.....

So Jim if T-Jack was signed to a 9 million contract and Sage was restricted free-agent do you actually believe, no strike that you do believe it, that the Vikings would still trade or release T-Jack.... ?... If so ROTFLMAO!

Not even LIMIT who I understand can't side with me on this in an open forum would believe that STUPIDITY!

Give me a friggin break. You are dealing with Sage who has about a 3.5 mill a year contract and Jackson, a guy who is going to get nowhere near 9 mill a year.

IF JACKSON WAS THE FUTURE OF THIS TEAM THEY WOULD NOT TRADE THE GUY. You arent dealing with some QB thats over the hill and has a giant contract.

Open-minded LOL. What a joke. The guy throwing out that load is the guy who thinks reason number 1 jackson will be traded is the economics, as if he has a giant contract, or will get a giant contract LOL. The team who has been searching for a QB for years now is going to trade away their future QB because of economics LOL. Get a grip dude....see some reality for a change.

[james_walleye]

So how am I in denial??? Let me see, TJ puts up better stats then DMcnabb in a similar system with less to work with then Dmac? HMMmmmmm Then put his stats against the best QB in the game for his first 19 games and you get upset??? Its not like I pulled 19 random games...It was both of there first 19 games.

Jim, I do see you are not man enough to tackle the Mcnabb debate. Why is that?

I will give you one of the best stats for 2008.

Not enough of a man, LOL, do you have to bogart other peoples material? Thats twice now in 2 days. You still havent listed those top 20 QB's.

There is no need to even acknowledge a stat comparison between Mcnabb and Jackson. There is no debate LOL. How hard is it for you to comprehend that it was evident early on that Donovan "had it" and would be a really good QB. Funny you neglect to mention in these debates who Jackson has been able to hand the ball off to and how the defenses have played the vikings. He has been playing 8 and 9 man fronts that DARE him to throw the ball. Begging him to throw the ball, and he can't do it. You forget to mention that the QB's numbers that you compare Jackson to didnt have this luxury. As if a young Peyton Manning would have only put up those numbers with that luxury LOL. There is no evidence whatsoever that Jackson is going to be anything other than a career backup.

You have anything other than stats? Can you think for yourself and present an arguement?

[james_walleye]

It's really puzzling to hear the support for this guy. I almost wonder if some are doing it just to push other's buttons, because it absolutely makes no sense at all. They honestly cannot say/type that stuff with a straight face.

Truly mind bottling.

And about the hypothetical of T-Jack having a $9M contract....the person who authorizes that should be fired on the spot. Oh wait, the guy who authorized drafting T-Jack was fired.

I've stated the same thing, almost hard to believe what pier and fishin first and foremost put on here.

[LMITOUT]

Kitna slices through MN's 2nd and 3rd string defense like a hot knife through butter and throws a TD pass.

T-jack throws two passes off his back foot with no completions and three and out.

Looks like we should be comparing T-Jack's stats with players of Kitna's caliber or less.

Meanwhile, Favre tutors Booty and Sage on the sidelines while T-Jack pouts in the corner.

[james_walleye]

Oh wait a mintue, Jackson just threw a TD to a guy open by 10 yards, give him some credit haha