Waterfowl Hunting

[Guest]

I knew there was a reason why I don't hunt that WMA on the weekends. Too many knuckleheads there. Sorry, not refering to you,Benny.Weekdays only at Mille Lacs for grouse,ducks,etc. I didn't get out last weekend.I had to work.(sigh) Next week will be different story.

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[Borch]

I used to hunt the Mille Lacs WMA and did very well. Dewitt Pool I believe. Nuts the first weekend by the third weekend only ones there. It gets better as the season progress'. Also later in the season, stick around until noon or so. We pulled many flocks of Northern mallards there later in the season(one flock or more than 100 birds with only 2 dozen dekes). Good luck.

[Gerd]

I hunted west of New Ulm about 20 miles. I'm kind of new to the waterfowl hunting, but for the small amount of time I got out this weekend, I did alright. Two wood ducks in 3 shots. Only one flock of about 15 birds seen. A few geese were flying over, but way too high. Okay, here's a question for you all about goose decoys. I need to get some, but I don't want to spend a hundred bucks on a dozen decoys. What are some of my alternatives? Are those rag decoys worth buying or are they a waste of time and money? Thanks for any help you could give me.

[Borch]

We did real well hunting west of St. Cloud. Lots of teal, woodies, mallards and a few divers to boot. Not as many geese as expected but we did get a few opportunities. It was real tough going though. A lot of muck not much water. But the ducks were flying so not much too complain about.

[Borch]

For field hunting rags will work as part of your set up. My friends and I have also made our own silloettes(sp?) out of 1/4" plywood, black, grey and white paint, 1/2 dowel(flatten one side to screw the goose to it and sharpen the other). If you lay out your pattern correctly as I remember you can get either 8 or 10 out of a sheet of plywood. Make sure you make several different poses. You will also want some shells and you should have a decent spread. Throw in a flag, a couple landing geese and a full body or two and you've got it made(it there are any geese that is). Good Luck.

[Guest]

I was out this AM. Man was it cold. Had to break ice to get to my spot but it was worth every bruise I got on my shins(If you have ever walked through Ice with your waders you know what I am talking about). There were lots of ducks, I managed to get 4 mallards and 1 woodie. Lots of ducks around and lots of ducks V'd up heading South. Should be a good weekend, lets here some good reports on Monday. I will be bowhunting, but anyways, it will still be a great weekend for duck hunting. ScottS

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[Benny]

Borch, you are right about the first weekend. We went to the other side this Saturday, there was one other canoe out there and they shot at every thing!
So about 8:30 AM we pulled out and went to Duett pool, no one was there. we ran in to the head CO and he told us of a couple of pot holes to jump, we got 3 Mallards off them. Went to French lake Sunday, we were the 3rd ones out at 5AM. Some one-who-thinks-I-am-silly shot at a pair of trumpeters, the CO was up on the hill by the farm watching so im sure they will get thier ticket. A few hunters were yelling at them also, still can't beleave people mistake them for geese. We did not fire a shot at any ducks, they we to decoy shy. Well good hunting, Benny

[Guest]

I was out in the thunder lake area this past weekend and did pretty well. My brother and I shot two Mallards, two Bluebills, Redhead, and A snow goose. We had a flock of seven Snows and Blues come into the duck decoys. My brothers gun jammed and I have no excuses, I shot REALLY BAD.
All morning waiting to set up decoys we herd hundereds of snows flying over. I guess I never knew snows fly that far east. Anyone know if this is common? It wasn't just a couple of flock there were hundreds.
When we got back and cleaned the ducks one of the mallards had white specks in it's breast. I have seen this in fish, Is this also common in ducks?

[SEwalleye]

does anyone have any duck reports?? just wondering where all the ducks are at!!

[Guest]

Well no ducks around the St Cloud area. I have heard great reports from Winnie and the Frazee area. They are coming, but this South wind and warm weather is not helping. I have hung up my waders for the week, I am heading to South Dakota for the pheasant opener.ScottS

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[J.A.Say.Tree]

Just got back from hunting waterfowl in Saskatchewan. Millions of birds up their, but that doesn't help our local hunting. What will was the number of birds we noticed on the drive through Southern Manitoba. Tons of mallards. Hope they find our flyway..... let it snow, let it snow, let it snow........

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[Guest]

Anyone--
I have been a avid duck hunter for the last 10 years. looking for some new info. In the past years I have had a lot of ducks and geese land on the outskirts of my decoys out of range. I have tried everything from 5-6 puddles of 8 ducks to the one that looks like a "v" or "u". and i am unable to get them any closer. would like some ideas on decoy setup and calling sequences and calls. i have a double reed, single reed and a sure shot call. any info would be great. My pass shooting has been very poor lately so I have let the ducks come in a nd land then scare them up and shoot when they are out to a good size pattern and have had varying results. let me know any opinions you guys have.

Thanks-
Broncosguy

[Bryce]

Stay away from the goups unless all else fails. Too hard to set and pick up decoys. Keep working on your "v", "u", or even a "w". Also try stringing up a couple of super mag hen backwards and place them in the landing pockets. Call hens. Have seen several drakes land right on the decoys. Keep on scaring the ducks out of the decoys. anything less than 6" off the water is "Arkansas" style shooting.

[GullGuide]

Bronco,
One of three things might be happening-
1) You are hunting in an area where the birds are heavily pressured,
2) The birds do not like your location, or
3) The birds are seeing something they do not like.
Let's deal with each topic in more detail-
1) Birds that have been pressured get used to the "decoy game" and become very weary. I have sat and watched pressured birds do what you are describing even when landing next to real birds. Until they see some movement such as a flapping wing or birds diving for food, they will land a ways away from the other birds and move in after seeing this movement.
2) Location- Where do you normally set up? On shore? On a point? On a floating bog? What is the wind direction? From behind you? a cross wind? Fill me in on the details.
3) Another problem might be they see something they do not like or that they find suspicious. This could be your blind, again your location, and your decoys. I would not stray away from using groups, although I find that 3 groups would be the maximum I would ever use. I prefer 2 groups with a space in between, the "landing area" as wide as about twice the length of your boat or blind. Another big mistake is placing the decoys too close to the shoreline, bog or point on which you are hunting. I try to have the outside edge of my groups about 20- 30 yards out with the closest decoy no less than 10 yards away. This serves two purposes-
1) Having them too close increases the chances of the birds seeing movement within the blind or they may spot a deficiency in the blind itself, and
2) Having the decoys out away from the natural windbreak that a shoreline, bog or point provides, enables the wind to create movement within your spread which is a necessity.
One more thing to add, a cardinal sin amongst waterfowlers is getting in the habit of calling too much. Overdoing a highball can turn any flock. Once they have spotted you and are beginning to work into your spread, minimize the calling to a few soft feed chuckles and a few single quacks. Also if the ducks start to talk to you as they work your decoys, by all means, answer back with just a short soft quack here and there.
Hope this helps and again fill me in on the location you hunt, not the area, just what kind of spots you set up in. This might also be a problem.
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[Guest]

GULLGUIDE,
I am hunting in a bog area that has a big opening, there is a floating bog that I rarely set up on because the wind moves it to the opposite end. I set up with the wind at my back. I usually set up my decoys about 20 yds from my blind. I hunt in the St cloud area after the 3rd week of the season. I have found out that most hunters in that area are usually pheasant hunting by then so the pressure is off. As for my blind I pull in to the cat ails just far enough into them to hide my entrance. I have painted my boat with a cat tail design so it blends right in. I pull back the cat tails to cover where I enter into my blind and then pull cat tails towards me to hide me as much as I can. Then in the blind I knock down the cat tails tat I can so I have about 2-3 shooting lanes. I have set up in just about every area of the slough that I hunt. Have 28 decoys I set out, 12 magnums and 4 feeders, and the last 12 are smaller. I have heard if you paint a mallard decoy black it makes for easier seeing is that correct or does that hinder them? Usually call to get there attention. and then some feeder. I call less to not scare them away, not to great at the feeder call. Thanks for the info and looking forward to your thoughts. Also what are your thoughts about lining up like I have set up blue bills before for mallards?

Broncosguy

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[Duck-o-holic]

Bronco,

Gull has some great points! I'll try and add some ideas to what he's already pointed out. It does sound from your response that your spread is a little close to the blind. I would recommend having my furthest mallards at least 35 yards out to enable them to be better seen from passing birds. I also like setting them out in two groups, or using a U or modified J pattern. If you have a slight crosswind (let's say the wind is blowing from behind, but over your left shoulder instead of directly behind you)... I would bulk up my dekes on the left (downwind) side, and pull the upwind dekes a bit closer to shore. Again, the key is to have an inviting opening. I like to think of mine as an EXAGERATED opening- one that is made to be very obvious to the birds as to where to land!
As to answer your question on the bluebills and mallards together, I LOVE hunting late season divers, and often pull in flocks of mallards. The key here is to know each birds preferences... divers like following lines... whether it be the break between calm and moving water, paralleling the shoreline or ice, or flying along the tail of a raft of their own kind. Mallards (as you've found out) do not, and will often land short of a group of birds without passing over them. Many hunters use strings or lines of diver dekes run 100 yds. out or so to suck the divers to the main part of their spread. If you are only using a dozen or so bluebills in addition to your mallards, this is not really an option for you... but realize the theory! Keep your species seperate in this case... and I'd have my bluebills out further than the mallards, but also DOWNWIND of them, as mallards don't like flying over ducks to land like divers do. As in the wind situation above, I'd have the bills on the left, and the mals upwind (on the right) and in closer.
As far as painting your mallard dekes black... I know about the theory, but wouldn't recommend it. Birds in the air will pick up a black colored object on the water easier than any other color-- even white! Duck counters in planes even confirm this. If you are aiming to get mallards in close, the more your dekes look like the real thing, the better!
Gull was right on the money with his calling advice as well! I can tell he is an expert caller without ever having heard him-- just by what he wrote. The long, loud Highball is not actually used to sound like a real duck... but rather is to get a birds attention! Once the birds are working your set, you don't want to blow them off the water. Like Gull said, use soft single quacks mixed sparengly with the feeder chuckle. Birds should be calling to you when they are working your spread. Listen for this, and always mimic the tone and sound back to them. There is nothing like getting a dialect going with a flock of birds! This is also true for working geese.
As far as your shooting problem, I will say that the best shots you will take are at birds backpedaling above your spread, facing you, preferrabley at 20 yards out! I would not recommend letting them land, and then taking them once they take off... you will be contending with hitting wings and backs that way, instead of being able to take your time and hitting breasts and heads as they are facing you... and not knowing what's about to happen! I would also recommend shooting some trap before/during season. Moreso to build confedence in your shooting ability than anything else! The last shooting tip for the day is... Tru-Glo sights!! They are about $20, and snap onto the rib of your gun, and give a great reference point-- especially in low-light conditions!!

Good luck...

Duck-o-holic

[Guest]

thanks for that insight i never really thought of it that hard or way, just went out and put the dekes out. if the day before set did not work i tried something else. Just curious as to what type of duck call works best and easiest for the feeder call??

thanks-
Broncosguy

[GullGuide]

Right on Duck!
I know we hunt the same water, we should get together and make a joint effort sometime instead of competing...enough competition on "Ol Mud" the way it is!!
Bronco, as far as what type of call, it's hard to recommend one since I use a handmade "Marshland" call. The maker who lived in Nebraska, passed away about 6 years ago and they are now considered collectors items. Most people who have them have put them on the mantle for display, but not me. I'll be using that call till it rots What kind do you use?
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[Guest]

I beleive it is a lohman's single reed (made of wood) maLlard call. I also have a dual tone (made of plastic) that I can not get the feeder to work with so I use the single reed for the feeder call and the dual to get 2 different sounds. there is a air hole to plug for a higher pitch, and if I do not cover the hole it is raspier. My goose call is the long river call(I think)

[Duck-o-holic]

Gull-- We will definitely have to hook up this fall for some fowling! You are right about the tremendous competition on Ol' Mud! You've got my email address...
Bronc-- One thing I'll say is, a good caller on a bad call will always outgun a poor caller on a good call! Like Gull said, there are almost too many good calls to choose from out there! Every year the list gets larger with new lines coming out, and additions to the old ones. Calls can also vary from $5 to hundreds. I would recommend starting out with something inexpensive (under $20) and really getting good on it. If you are serious about getting good at it, it cannot be something that you just start practicing on a few weeks before season. I keep my calls in my vehicle pretty much year round and also find this is the best place to practice on them. Pick up an instructional tape or CD to call along to. You might get some weird looks from the motorists around you... especially if you are in a traffic jam

As for what has been on my lanyard for the last three seasons-- I have a Primos shaved-reed goose call, two different model Roy Rhodes single reed duck calls, and a double reed Big River duck call.

The Rhodes calls will become more familiar to hunters this year, as I was surprised to see that Wal-Mart is now carrying them. I am assuming that you have the Big River goose call? I used to have one of the flutes, and a Tim Grounds half-breed call that were both excellent goose calls. I kind of combined the good qualities of each with the Primos, which is louder than the Grounds, but still gives the range of goose sounds (including the lay-down growl) that I was looking for. The Big River double reed is my softer, in close call for ducks.

Keep in mind also that a double reed call will be a lot easier to blow than a single. I'd start out with a double and get good on it first. Big River, Primos, Duck Commander, Buck Gardner, and Rich-N-Tone make some great double reeds that are not too expensive to start out or add. Olt is oldschool, with some excellent calls, but also some that I don't care for. Haydel's has beefed up their line and are now better in my opinion. Faulks I would stay away from. Flambeau is new to the game, but had a nice sounding double (sweet suzy?). Quaker Boy also is pretty new with their duck call line, which I think is so-so. The list goes on and on... but the main key is still practicing!

Any other preferences out there anyone? Let's see what everyone else is using...

Duck-o-holic

PS- Sorry this was so long-- I guess I have a hard time sleeping this close to season opening up!!!

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[Guest]

I have actually been practicing since May 1st. figured the more I call the better off I am. I have more trouble with the double reed call then the single. Is that normal?? because I have been called abnormal a lot when it comed to hunting ducks and geese. the goose call is the river call you mentioned. I like that very much. I have had no problem getting the geese in. Called 7 geese back after we took 3 out of the flock the last few years. I was taught to stay as still as possible when calling so is it a good idea to try more then 1 call when ducks are in sight??

Thanks-
Broncosguy

p.s. I can not sleep much this year either, but I have to wait until the 2nd week of the season becuase my wife scheduled us for Las Vegas on opening weekend, she is still hearing about that. I told her if she has our kid that weekend she could be in trouble and need a back up coach(j/k)

[Duck-o-holic]

Bronc-

Trust me-- Being abnormal isn't so bad... plus, it can actually a good tactic to use when hunting heavily pressured birds! The majority of callers I've heard have a harder time blowing a single correctly. I believe a lot of callers don't have the concept of how to use air from their diaphragms correctly. This can make it harder to get the correct "raspiness" out of a single reed. More air is needed on a single, and many people blow into it harder, like they're blowing up a balloon. Instead they should be using air from their diaphragm, like they are huffing on a mirror to fog it up.

Sounds like you don't have a problem with this... now all you probably need to do, is fine tune this-- and apply it in the field. That's great that you've been practicing it early. What's even better than listening to calling tapes is to actually listen to live birds and then try to mimic them. Listen to when they are calling, and why they are calling that way.

I carry different calls for different situations. I have a loud, open-water call that works great on windy days or to get attention of birds at long distances. I also have a medium volumed call, and a soft call that is great for working birds in close. Loud calls that echo will spook birds every time. A real duck will NEVER echo, so be conscious of this if you are hunting in or around a lot of trees! If you are echoing-- you need to change calls, call softer, or don't call! As far as switching your calls during a sequence... I do it all the time. You are correct about not wanting to be seen by working birds, but if you are camoflagued correctly you'll be fine. Also limit your movements to when the birds are circling away from you.

Sounds like you don't need any tips on calling geese. I know a lot of people who have had similar results with the Big River.
Still waiting to here what others are using and liking for calls out there...

Good Gunning,

Duck-o-holic

PS- To bad about missing opener. She must be a keeper!! Guess you've still got time to train her!

[Bryce]

Used a Quaker last season and was very impressed. Very affordable acrylic. Rich-n-tone makes a polycarbonate that blows very much like an acrylic. I prefer the hard single reed in most conditions but will switch to Sure Shot double reed when I need to tone down. You cannot overblow this call. Goose call without a doubt is the pit crew by I believe Paul England. Not exactly sure on that name. Makes calls right here in the Twin cities. Spent a lot of money on oter calls to have a backup and finally went to another pit crew tune slightly different. Not the most attractive call but you can make all the sounds that real geese do.