Vickers

[harvey lee]

Nice move by the Hendrick car.Sure kept Jr from gaining points.Vickers should be penalized for stupidity.

[NAPAFISH]

The normal Hendrick tactics. Ask Mike Bliss if he has seen this before. What a punk. Jr had the best car by far.

Great teammate, oh wait The Great one said earlier that they are not teammates. For some reason I cant see Mcmurray doing this or Yeley doing this.

[LMITOUT]

It's a good thing that Toyota is taking him next year as I heard that even the Shriners wouldn't allow him to drive their cars during parades.

[jbtwins24]

haha that was funny. now i can say im a vickers fan, feel bad for johnson though. gosh, you all can complain about vickers but jr shouldnt of been up there in front in the first place. how many times does nascar have to warn jr from bumpdrafting in the turns, he should of been penalized too then. way to go vickers!

[LMITOUT]

I was reaching for a box of tissues when listening to Gordo after he got wrecked. Wow. What a tear-jerker! And I thought the ending of Ol' Yeller was bad. That took the cake!

[jbtwins24]

heres an idea.......maybe jr should just start driving like his dad to get wins and championships. all sr did was move guys out of his way just like vickers did. i bet anything that if sr didnt crash guys to get wins he wouldnt of had close to enough championships as he ended with. ya now all you 8 and 3 fans have alot to talk about when it comes to cheap driving.

[JohnMickish]

You plate track guys got exactly what you wanted, and less. You got the "big one" that took out Gordon and you got one heck of a finish that unfortunatly took out your driver. It happens. Jr. himself has taken out someone for a win and that was in a lowly Busch race. Lmit, you where just fine with that. I can use your quote of "he won't win the championship anyways" but my crystal ball is broken so I can't say that.

Lee and Lawdog you guys also seem to be OK with the contact for a win so I really don't understand what you guys are complaining about. If it's good for one driver then it's good for all drivers. Or is there some sort of double standard that goes with being a Jr. fan? If there is fill me in because not being a Jr. fan I didn't get the rule book explaining it.

[jbtwins24]

haha thats funny.......but heres the real deal though. today honestly didnt really matter because now everybody in the top 10 still has a chance to win. if something didnt happen to the leader of the chase it would be alot different chase as it is now.

[harvey lee]

I dont mind racing contact for a win,but when one is a hack,then the game changes.I know it is hard for all to agree on what is a bad move and what is a racing incident.

[LMITOUT]

My problem with this is that it wasn't that he tried to spin either of them out (at least I don't think so), but rather his terrible driving caused a wreck and he ended up with a win in his lap. I guess a blind squirrel finds a nut every once in a while. There's a reason that he's never won a race up until today and that's because he's a terrible driver. Today just happened to be the day where his stupidity behind the wheel resulted in a win.

Let's not be so fast to forget that he took out a teammate and another Chase driver with his Joey Chitwood show today.

[JohnMickish]

I was very impressed with Jr and his crew chiefs interview after it was over. Eury called it a racing deal. Maybe that's what it was, just a racing deal?

You guys have to ask yourself, if it was Jr. in third and that was the 15 in front of him and the 48 leading. Would it still be a hack move then?

[LMITOUT]

I think what Harvey was saying is that it wasn't a hack move, but rather a hack behind the wheel. If Gordon, Earnhardt, Stewart, etc, was the third car in that line I'd call what happened a mistake because they are talented drivers who know better.

Put Vickers, Jeff Green, Riggs, etc in that third spot and then it's a hack driver who doesn't know better and is driving over their skill level. That's the way I classify it.

Kind of like if you have kids and when an older one makes a mistake you tell them they should know better. If a younger one does it, then you discipline them so they know better next time.

I hope Vickers sleeps well tonight because he just became the most hated man in #8 land. It doesn't matter if it was intentional or not, it was his direct actions that caused the #8 to wreck and the fans won't forget.....kinda like Jimmy Spencer.

[JohnMickish]

Kinda like Carl Edwards?

[harvey lee]

Tony Stewart said it best just a few weeks back.You can race the race but pretty much dont mess up the top ten chase drivers.Vickers needs to go to school.

We all know that Vickers would have stayed put if that was hendrick car in front of him.What does that make Vickers??????

[LMITOUT]

Food for thought...

Edwards claimed the #48 lifted him off the ground and that caused the big one which effectively took out Gordon. Later Vickers takes out the #48. Ironic how that all worked out.....

[PERCHJR]

All I can say is AMEN to the stupidity!!! That was amazing Vickers blamed the whole thing on Jr, in his interview he said Jr forced JJ to swerve and that's what caused the whole thing to happen!!! GOD forbid he take the blame, course he is the teammate of the KING of BLAME and WHINNNNNING, HUH who in the world could I mean??? That's another thing, Jeffy whinning about Jr, and his bumping........not that he bumped anyone out there today either, seems to be a Hendrick thing blame everyone else for there bad luck and problem's!!!

Perchjr

[LMITOUT]

I was going to bring up what Vickers said after the race saying that Jr. ran Johnson down and then Johnson had to swerve back into Vickers causing the wreck, but then I figured that Vickers had his hands full just trying to keep his car going in a straight line and didn't see what really happened. Maybe his helmet fell down over his eyes or he still had them shut after making his own swerve.

If he sticks to that story after he reviews the tape, well, there is a river in Egypt.....

[JohnMickish]

It dosen't really matter because neither one of them will win the championship anyways. I am not a Vickers fan but he was racing for the win and didn't lift. Everybody else would have done the same thing. Deal with it and move on.

This is exactly the same situation as the Jr/Edwards Busch deal. Jr. didn't lift and he caused a wreck but won the race. He took out the number two points guy. Vickers didn't lift and took out two chase guys. You live by the hack move you die by the hack move.

Everyone (except 48 camp) that was interviewed on Speed tonight says that Vickers did no wrong.

Next race please.

[LMITOUT]

On the contrary because Jr could have been roughly 30pts back from Burton. Now he's 100 because of Vicker's inability to drive a car at high speeds, ie racing. To say that Dale won't/can't win the championship and that it didn't matter is wrong.

It's not exactly the same as the Jr/Edwards deal either. Edwards was sideways and Jr was right on him and you know the result. That's not a hack move. As I said before it's one thing to wiggle the guy in front of you to make a pass, but it's another when you're completely out of control, have no judgement, and get the win by pure luck (hack).

Some guys have no reason to be out there on these tracks as they seem they can't handle the pressure of running that fast and that close together. The cars just look nervous.

I thought it was funny what Tony Eury Jr. said about Johnson after the race and how he's matured at the restrictor plate tracks. He more or less said that Johnson couldn't handle himself out there either and was basically just bouncing off of everything for the past few years and now he's starting to learn to give and take a little and the results are showing.

[eyepatrol]

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Edwards claimed the #48 lifted him off the ground and that caused the big one which effectively took out Gordon. Later Vickers takes out the #48. Ironic how that all worked out.....

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This wreck actually started further in front of these guys with the 2 trying to go on the outside when there was no room for it, then he veered back in causing the 5 to get all nervous, the guys behind them started to check up and Johnson ran into the back of the 99 as a result, then the big one occurred.

Vickers will now be on every #8 fan's sh!$ list and he will probably hear it for the rest of his life. I got a kick out of his burnouts being shown on TV. Pretty much everyone wearing red in the crowd was holding up the good 'ol "you're number one" finger.

[fishinchicks]

I am not a fan of the three involved in the last wreck yesterday, so I don't think my opinion is biased. Having said that, what a stupid move for Vickers to make. His excitement at a possible win had to have shut off his brain. Going that fast, you need to let up a little while the guy you are pushing is going for the pass. Duh. If you want to play up front with the fast boys, you need to be able to think all the way through a pass, and not let your emotions get the best of you.

Even this chick knows that, and we are great at letting our emotions run wild!

[OUTDOORNUT]

I think if I were in Vickers shoes, with all the doughters out there (me included) switching teams next year, going to the Japs, and leaving one of the best racing orgs. I'd do whatever it takes to win.

Jimmie Johnson has been a total wreck on restrictor plate tracks for the last few seasons, he was due to be the one taken out. Jr. was just in the wrong place, wrong time.

[lawdog]

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I got a kick out of his burnouts being shown on TV. Pretty much everyone wearing red in the crowd was holding up the good 'ol "you're number one" finger.

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That's just the average Talladega Earnhardt fan displaying their own IQ score for everyone to see! They are the same rednecks that covered the track with beer cans when Gordon whipped him there a year or two ago. Bunch of whiny rednecks!!! Jr., as usual, was much better than his (Contact Us Please) fan base, he said it was a racing deal and congratulated the 25 on the win, the DEI faithful be foaming at the mouths for weeks on the other hand...

Vickers screwed up, its over, get on with it. He took his teammate out, but then again, he isn't really his teammate, he's a Toyota boy now. Hendrick motorsports doesn't even let him in on team meetings anymore, he's no Hendrick teammate...

[harvey lee]

Be carefull Lawdog,or I will pick Gordon again.I am now believing my voodoo withcraft is working on him as he failed again.

I just dont know if I want to burn him now or wait until closer to the end just in case he gets closer to the top and then give him the wammy.

[iffwalleyes]

Jr is my favorite drive by far. But what really confussed me about the whole thing is that he took his own teammate out. That is just plain stupid when the teammate is in the chase. I realize in Vickers eyes they may not be teammates anymore. But I doubt Hendricks feels the same. Jimmy needed a good run after the last couple races but thanks to his teammate he got another poor finish that didn't help as much as a second would have. I did laugh at Vicker's saying JR caused it. Well maybe someday he will realize he caused it. Looked to me like Jr. car was running a pretty straight line. But then again my eyes aren't the best. I guess he will remember how he won his first race though.