Official Bud Shootout Thread

[LMITOUT]

Knaus will be riding the pine for the Daytona 500 and it cannot be appealed says NASCAR. Dominos are starting to fall now.

[jbell1981]

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Unfortunately, there are only two kinds of racers, Cheaters and Losers.

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Which one are you?jk

[eyepatrol]

Only song Knaus will be hearing this weekend is....

"you keep 'a knockin' but you can't come in"..... HA!

[harvey lee]

I agree with the Dog,you have to push the rules to the limit or you will be in the tail of the race.The 48 team has to figure out how to do this without getting caught so much or,dont push it quite so far.A little fine and a little suspension,they will be back at it right away.Nascars fines wont stop the boys from doing what they do best.

[JohnMickish]

I don't agree with cheating to win. We won a track championship in Jamestown ND. in 1993 with a 100% legal car. We put in LOTS of time and had zero DNF's. We didn't win a feature on that track that year but had enough seconds and thirds to win the championship. Would you rather win the battle or the war?

There is also a difference between pushing the rules and breaking them. You are right in saying you have to push them but doing what they say not to do is breaking them. If everyone has to cheat then for example is running an aluminum rod 430 cid in a 360 spec class cheating or pushing the rules? Is running a 2 speed late model transmission in a bomber cheating or pushing the rules. Something to think about.

[lawdog]

jbell, I'll tell you this, in my class at my track I run an engine that probably wouldn't pass tech at 50-75% of the tracks that run my class of cars, but its not the biggest dog there, I personally know of two for sure that are considerably bigger and less legal and most are pretty comparable. My motor is legal according to the way they check it there and I've been teched many times without issue, but its not legit according to the strict letter of the rule...IF they enforced it that way some night, there wouldn't be any cars left to run a feature.

I don't know that there are 3 or 4 guys there that run strictly legal by the letter of the book and I gaurantee you none of them brought home any hardware last year. I tried running 100% legal by the rules when I started and learned real fast you just couldn't compete that way... My car is more legal than most in all honesty, but I spent all I wanted to and I could run competitively with it so I couldn't see pushing the envelope and the cost any further. Honestly I wish you could run straight up legal because it would cut costs substantially and bring it back to the driver/set-up more, same with the big boys, take a lot of technology and aero away and bring it back to the drivers! That's a long response I guess...

[JohnMickish]

It would be nice if everybody could be honest in life as well as racing, but that's a whole different story there.

[harvey lee]

Iam not saying you have to cheat as we do not.But if a rule says that you can go to a certain point,then you had better be maxed to that point as your competitor will be.I wish that when the tech officals tech a car and find something outside the box,that the penalty would be so great that they would never do it again.But,it seems to me if the governing bodies want the cheating to stop they would then enforce the rule better and the fines and penalties would be much stiffer.They wont,so the pushing of the envelope will always be there.It only takes a few to push it and then alot more follow to keep up.Iam not saying this is right,but it is a fact.

[OUTDOORNUT]

What I don't understand is why all the Chevy teams are the ones getting tagged (Barrier, Knaus, HOF Racing) You'd think it would be the Dodge teams trying to press the limits, due to the fact their cars are the farthest behind....at this point.

I think NASCAR is going to send a message to Knaus, for he is a repeat offender and more than likely going to try again and again and again. Want to make a statement, park the 48 for Daytona, sit Knaus for 6 races and slap him, not Hendrick with a $750,000 fine. These 20-35K fines aren't dump do these guys when they are winning double that in one race. You park the 48 for Daytona and Lowes is going to be HOT, Hendrick is going to be on the hook and Knaus is going to have to abide by the rules for the rest of the year. Knaus and Berrier are proven cheaters, year in and year out.

[Sifty]

It seems that there is such a GRAY AREA in the rule books that often the teams may question a rule and one way to find out is to get caught doing it.

Sifty

[lawdog]

Crew Chiefs don't make the money the drivers make. Granted they do pretty good, but you fine a guy like that $750K and that's way over the top. I don't know that they are ever going to park a car for a qualifying equipment violation either, that's pretty much reserved for driver offenses I think since you are parking the driver when you do that.

[OUTDOORNUT]

Might be over the top, but would he try and bend the rules again?? I dought it! My point is they are laughing at the 25-35K fines.

It is the Crew Chiefs job to bring a legal car to the show, I know most of the infractions can't be blamed on the driver, but he still doesn't have a legal car to drive. If you don't want to bring a legal car, then you sit the race and explain to Lowes where there sponsorship $$ went for Daytona! NASCAR has given the boot to drivers that continue to fail various rules (i.e. drug policy) how much do they tolerate from Crew Chiefs that continue to break the rules?? In my mind Barrier and Knaus are repeat offenders and have used their third strike, they should be OUT!

Check out Marty's "Last Lap" on NASCAR (Contact US Regarding This Word), even JJ fans are calling for Knaus to be slapped heavly and JJ parked for the 500!

See it isn't just those of us that dislike Knaus.

Take Baseball, you fail your steroid test, your out for a while, fail again, see ya, bye. Knaus has already failed plenty of times, but yet it o.k. to just keep letting him back?? Knaus needs NASCAR more than NASCAR need him!

[Uncle Bill]

Every one cheats. Only the dumb ones get caught.

Go #17 !!

[NAPAFISH]

This really sucks!!! I have JJ on my fantasy team and this happens. Kyle Bucsh who I also have decides he owns the track. And to top it off Kenseth who I also have overheats.

I am willing to bet that Rick Hackrick takes care of this, and Chad does not lose a dime.

If you cheat and get away with it is it cheating???