All hail the new king!

[JohnMickish]

Like him or not boy's, that was a butt woopin'. DEI is no longer the king of the plates. That was just a plane old fashioned lesson. Just like last week with Busch at Pheonix, this year is going to come down to the 16,24,48 and 97 finishing 1-4 at the end.

[LMITOUT]

I can't figure out how someone that's first in points cannot drive without wrecking everybody. He's been a hazard from the first year in the Cup on the big tracks. I guess it just proves the theory that a good car CAN overcome a terrible driver. Must be the new Hendrick way of cheating....have another guy wreck everyone else so the other teammate can win. What is that, three weeks in a row now??

I'll give the #24 (that's the car, not the driver BTW) credit today. It had the stuff.

[outdoor ran]

lets see, Jr starts the first big crash then his teammate starts the one in the end. He trys to push MacMurry out of the way and makes his 2 teammates check up and crash. Gordon is a great driver and today had a great car. So Jimmy is out there crashing everyone on purpose but is leading in the points. OK

[LMITOUT]

The 48 car slapped the outside wall and bounced back into Harvick causing the second wreck. That was fairly evident.

I thought it was pretty funny when Dick was interviewing Johnson after it happened and he said everyone crowded him against the wall until he started watching the replay, then his story changed to the guy behind him took his air off the spoiler. ooooook.

The first "big one" had the 48 pushing up against McMurray's left rear moments earlier and then was going to try it again before Wallace moved in. He was going to try to budge up and get behind McMurray and then the wreck happened.

He pulled the same junk on Tony at the 500 in February, and can barely keep it going straight an previous restrictor plate races. He trys to block, but you have to know how to do it. Think he'd learn by now.

[lawdog]

8 car started the first big one, plain and simple. M. Wallace was knocked sideways into the 48. Only a blind Earnhardt fan couldn't see that.

I didn't see the second one as I was driving home, but the announcers on the radio made it pretty clear it was the 15 hitting the 42 that started that. Like I said, I didn't see it though...

JEFF GORDON RULES!!!!

Why did you all want to say Little E was king when he was driving plate cars good enough that career nobody Mikey could even win three times in them, but now you want to say its only Jeff's car??????????????????????

[rappin jack]

Outdoor ran, I think you need a larger tv.

Oh ya gordon blows!!!

[eyepatrol]

That's right ourdoor ran. Jimmy isn't out there trying to wreck everyone else so that Jeff can win. That's plain rediculous. Jeff IS a great driver. If it's the car, then you can say anybody that drove the #3 would have been great. Dale senior wasn't great, his car was! That's plain nonsense too.

How many people think if Junior was leading the points, and just because he wasn't going to win (with about 5 laps to go mind you), would take a dive and wreck others behind him about 5 cars back of his teammate just to give his teammate a chance to win.....raise your hand....thought so. Nobody in their right mind would do that. It's entirely absurd. Junior got into the back of Mike Wallace who got loose, hit Jimmy's right rear quarter then slid up into Riggs (or someone) and the whole chain of events occurs. Let's blame Jimmy for Mike Wallace getting loose. Let's blame Jimmy for Mike Wallace sliding up and getting into Riggs. Let's blame Jimmy for every car behind that wreck for not slowing down and stopping like Stewart did. Heck, let's blame Jimmy for the tires coming off the Petty cars!

Man....that's it...I've said enough on this one.

[JohnMickish]

Basscatcher, do you remember the wreck that big E died in? He made a blocking move so that his team (DEI) driver (Mikey) could win the race. In the process he ended up wrecking a whole bunch of cars and getting himself killed in the process. Anything can happen in the heat of battle, even boneheaded moves.

[eyepatrol]

Yes, I know. But wasn't it his attempt at blocking that took him out? He wasn't trying to wreck everyone, as others have suggested Jimmy did tonight, he was trying to block. Two different situations.

[LMITOUT]

Obviously he's not going to take a header to clean out the pack on purpose, but he's blocking like a fool and causing wrecks. You don't have to wreck yourself to take out other cars either and that's what I mean about causing accidents. It's not that tough to achieve at these types of tracks. A wiggle here and there, slap the car beside you, and you have everyone behind starting to take evasive measures which usually result in an accident. And like I said, this isn't the first plate race he's been playing that trick.

Post race commentary on other stations also pointed to the #48 as the source of the first accident. I guess I'm not the only 'blind Earnhardt fan' that saw that as so did the announcers dissecting the race later.

The second wreck was a direct consequence of #48 bouncing of f the wall coming out of the turn. Nobody was checking up at that point. At least he got his own medicine for a change.

[eyepatrol]

During the red flag, didn't Junior say that he was right up behind Mike's bumper ready to bump draft, when Mike started checking up and then he (Junior) tried to check up but couldn't and got into the back of Mike and the next thing Junior knew was Mike slid up towards the wall past him? Isn't that what Junior said?

[LMITOUT]

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During the red flag, didn't Junior say that he was right up behind Mike's bumper ready to bump draft, when Mike started checking up and then he (Junior) tried to check up but couldn't and got into the back of Mike and the next thing Junior knew was Mike slid up towards the wall past him? Isn't that what Junior said?

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I believe his exact words were, he was on my front bumper like a woodpecker. Wonder why he was checking up???? Maybe a certain inside car decided to finish the job on McMurray?

[eyepatrol]

That's part of his words, but I wonder what the rest was.

Guess I'll have to get a tape from brother-in-law and watch again. I thought I also heard DW say that Junior got into Mike. But again I'll have to watch the tape.

All I know is this...Mike Wallace's left front end moving left and hitting the right rear of Johnson was not caused by Johnson's vehicle...Johnson wasn't behind Mike, Junior was. That much is truth.

[Macgyver55]

I’m not as driver biased, as I am brand biased, so I think I can be partial here. I hadn’t seen the race yet before reading this so I popped it in and watched. I fast-forwarded to the first crash and I watched it over and over and over. Frame by frame in slow-mo with no sound or commentators to influence my opinion. It looks to me (as unbiased as I can be) that Jimmy came up, bumped the 42 car ….the 4 car must have lifted a bit. The 8 car got into the 4. About the same time the 48 came up again hitting the 42 and the 4 at the same. The 4 went right hitting the 10 and after that there was too much smoke to see much. Whatever the case the initial incident all began with a tap to the 42 from the 48 up front…everything else after that was reaction to that incident. Anyone who wants to watch it….. I got the tape.

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All I know is this...Mike Wallace's left front end moving left and hitting the right rear of Johnson was not caused by Johnson's vehicle...Johnson wasn't behind Mike, Junior was. That much is truth.

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Sorry, but if you watch it again, this is definately not the case. At no time during the entire incident did the 4 car move left. In fact he was moving right at the time the 48 hit him. The stripes on the track don't lie!

[HOF#13]

At first I thought the 8 caused the first wreck, but after watching the replay a kazillion times, I'm with MacGyver. I will place a majority of the blame on the 48. The last wreck, the 48 bounced off the wall and into the inside cars. I'm not going to sit here and chew him out, as a 12 inch mistake at 185 mph at that track is all it takes, but he did have a rough day.

[HOF#13]

To go back to the very first post here...Your right on there mnfishinguy. I'm not a Gordon fan, but he was unbeatable yesterday. He and his car were fantastic. Very impressive run.

[OUTDOORNUT]

Plate racing stinks!!!!!!!!!! Having 3/4 of the field out, isn't great racing!!!!!

[TNFL]

I agree, ricky rudd said it.. this is racing this is getting in line and hoping your line moves. Just like at walmart.

I remember seeing several cars bumping and bouncing all day. It just happens that sometimes they wreck and sometimes they don't. There are several factors involved and to blame one person (obviously) because you don't like him shows poor character.

[HOF#13]

It does suck having that many cars out. The thing for me is I'm kind of torn...I love Daytona and Talladega, but I do wish there was something they could do to get rid of the restrictor plates and reduce speeds. I would much rather see all 43 cars out on the track.

[Northlander]

You guys need to spend more time outside fishing or something and less time sitting in front of the brain shrinker watching cars go in circles.

Walleyes rule!

[Sifty]

Come on Northlander I'm sure you have a show or two that you see and watch. Think of it this way where not sitting on your secret spot when there RACING on the tube.

Sifty

[PERCHJR]

Guess you are watching different races than everyone else out there??? You should maybe watch the replays a little closer because they are pretty easy to see #48, cause both crashes!!!

GOOD LUCK AND GOOD FISHING!!!

[PERCHJR]

GUESS I AM A BLIND FAN THEN??? Watch the replays also!!! Guess a blind HMS fan sees things differently also???

GOOD LCUK AND GOOD FISHING!!!

[OUTDOORNUT]

Or you run your T.V. in the boat, so you can enjoy both at the same time!!

[JohnMickish]

I am not a fan of blocking, so I'd like to see them impliment a rule like C.A.R.T. (or whatever they are called now) has, you get one defensive move. Be it left or right, that's your one move. No more weaving back and forth. That's what causes 75% of all the stupid plate track wrecks.

If we could get the dumb fans that just watch the Dega and Daytona races just for the big wrecks to turn off their tv, then maybe we could free up 4 more races? Kentucky? The Rock?