All-Season deer license interpretation???

[Ozzy169]

YES, A All-season licence holder may take and tag 2 anterless deer during #1 Archery season, #2 Muzzleloader Season, #3 Firearms season with Bow and Arrow!!

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[mdeiley]

ozzie, i thought during the firearms season you can only shoot what is legel during that time. meaning an archer with or without a firearms tag hunting during firearms season has to follow firearms rules. bucks only. assuming no firearms doe tag was availible. Wow i am getting more and more confussed every day.

[adaylate]

also on page 56,it says you may take and tag 1 anterless deer by archery in the archery season. It's news to me if they close the archery season during the fire arms season.I believe the confusion comes from a few years back when it was a law that you could not shoot a doe durig gun season with a bow. you could only shoot a buck during that time.That law was droped several years ago if I remember right.

[mnfishman]

Adaylate is correct on taking a doe with a bow during firearms season. About 5 or 6 years ago I believe a bowhunter hunting with a bow during firearms season could only shoot a buck with a bow tag.

Since then they changed that so a bowhunter hunting with a bow during firearm season can take either a doe or buck and buy IHP if available in the zone they are hunting. They cannot party hunt with a firearm hunter.

As for the All Season License good luck on figuring that one out. I read all the posts and I am still as if not more confused as before.

[BLACKJACK]

I agree with mnfishman, I think you can take a doe with a bow during gun season.

I'm still looking for a clarification on whether a person could take a third deer. From my previous post:

One question I have concerning the All Season deer licence, it appears that a person could take THREE deer with that licence, two with your All Season and one more if you purchase a Management permit. On the bottom of page 56 in the regs it says 'in no case may a person take more than two deer (except all season deer licences...' Also near the top of page 73 it says 'note:All Season deer licence holders may take one buck and one antlerless-only deer on their regular licence and may purchase one additional deer management permit'. So it looks like you could take 3 deer with the licence, even if you don't hunt in an intensive harvest zone.

What do you guys think? The reason I'm looking at that third deer tag is so I could take a doe early in the bow season, then still have the doe permit availble when I gun hunt in a mangaed zone, and still be able to wait for Mr. Big during archery season/rut. Nothing better than sitting in a stand with your bow during early November!! The last several years I've taken the whole week off before gun season, bow hunt early and late, then pheasant hunt during the day. Life is good!

[Mark Christianson]

In our area, I can buy IHP licenses. As far as I know, I can take up to 5 deer total. Only one may be a buck though. All management and IHP are anterless only.

I think I will just worry about tagging one buck, and one doe with my All Season site tags, and just not even try to get into the rest of the jibberish.
If we try to read too deep into this, we will be sharing a jail cell together.

[Ozzy169]

STOP
#1 All-Season licence are able to harvest a Doe during the Firearms season with Bow nad Arrow and use their "Anterless tag" without applying for an anterless permit. Archery season doesn't close during Firearms season. If it does please tell me what page I can find it. None of this he said, she said stuff. put it in writing!!

#2All-season licence holders may purchase up 3 IHP in designated permit areas, with means the All-season licence holder may take and tag 5 deer-but only 1 of the 5 may be a buck! Can be 5 Does!!!

I'm not done yet

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[Ozzy169]

Yes BLACKJACK you may harvest those deer like you wrote

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[korn_fish]

The bow hunting season was never closed durring firearms season, just like others have posted, it just limited that a bow hunter could not take a doe durring the firearms season. Like one of my firsts post stated, I thought that was a dumb rule.

This thread when posted by Biglake started out on just the all-season license alone, forget about talking intensive harvest and managment for now please. With just the all-season license and NOTHING else, you can only have the one buck and one doe.

We really need a CO to explain it. I know I said before that the all -season was like haveing a different license for each season, but based on what it says on page 69, I would have to recall that earlier statement and say that the all-season license is its own licence and so the bow hunting regs do not COMPLETELY determin the rules of an all season license holder using a bow durring the firearms season. I still assume that I cant shoot a doe durring the firearms season if I am an all-season license holder using a bow unless I was awarded a doe permit.

Im with Biglake, the way I interpret the rules will not get me in trouble with the law if thats how I hunt with the all season license, so thats the way it's going to stay.

I think the regs should have the all-season regs seperated just like they seperate archery from firearms instead of having one statement about all-season here, another on this page, then another on a different page.

[Ozzy169]

Here is ther phone # for the DNR 651-296-6157

Here are the ?'s I asked and the answers I got

Can deer be harvested with the same weapon with an All-Season deer license? YES

Can an All-season licensee harvest 2 Does during a firearms season with bow and arrow? YES

Can an All-season hunter tag 2 Antlerless deer, Archery or muzzleloader season's? YES

For more answers to life's ?'s call the number at the top of the page

Sorry for any inconveinences, I just sell the darn things

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[metrojoe]

I didn't know they were in such high demand. Is there a package deal available?

[BLACKJACK]

cornfish, you're missing the point of the All-Season permit. It was set up to allow you to use multiple weapons to harvest multiple deer, no more, no less. When you you have a bow in hand, you follow the archery rules. When you have a gun in hand, you follow the firearm rules. When you have have a muzzleloader, you follow the muzzleloader rules. So your concern about harverting a doe with your bow during gun season is needless, archery rules apply and you CAN shoot a doe.

If you don't believe us, call the DNR about your question and get back to us.

[Mark Christianson]

Ozzy
Did you clarify with them, that you were not inquiring about management permits or IHP?
You say you can take 2 does. Can you take 2 does with just the All-Season tags?
I am afraid we are still in the dark.
I just want to clarify the questions you asked them.
I know I can shoot 2 does, but only if you get IHP or MP. I thought.
And yes, I know the number for the DNR, and I can call to get the info from them. Just want to make sure how you worded your question.

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[BLACKJACK]

BIGLAKEBASS, page 56 of the regs says one buck and one doe on the All-Season.

Ozzy, thanks for confirming my thoughts on the 3 deer.

[Mark Christianson]

But Ozzy says:
Can an All-season licensee harvest 2 Does during a firearms season with bow and arrow? YES

Can an All-season hunter tag 2 Antlerless deer, Archery or muzzleloader season's? YES

I am assuming that is the case ONLY if you get your MP or IHP. I thought.

[bluebill97]

Yep, you can get two deer with that license, one buck and one doe thats it!
Lets make it easy....regs are clear... you can shoot only one buck then your done shooting buck, so now lets say you used your buck tag up and only have your doe tag left.
so Im still out bow hunting trying to shoot a doe. firearms season is here and I can not shoot a buck because I used my tag already. so now I can only shoot a doe with the rifle if I was granted a doe permit from the lottery, if not I can only bow hunt and muzzle load hunt when the season rolls around. Its easy guys, when you shoot your two deer your done, and you can only shoot a doe during rifle season if you have the permit. otherwise fire away! if its brown its down!

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[mdeiley]

i only hope i have enough room in my stand for the DNR translator needed to hunt this year. also does anyone know where i can find one? what they charge? do they use scent protection? all kidding aside i would highly advise all to personally call the DNR and have them answer your specific questions. most important- good luck hunting to all. may you all be blessed with huge bucks and freezer filling does.

[korn_fish]

I emailed the DNR and informed them of this post here. I just got a response back from teh Big Game Coordinator and after he read the entire thread, he said he was reluctant to join the forum and post his response because of the continued questions that would be asked.

He basically said he would answer the questions, and then I could post his response.

So as it stands now, I am waiting for him to reply back with answers to everyones questions, or a response from him asking me to compile a list of all the questions that he can answer. My quess is that he will go back through all the posts and write up answers and then email them back to me.

Not sure when that will be but I do leave for Canada tomorrow at noon, so if I haven't heard anything by noon tomorrow, I will not be able to post his response until I get back on Sept. 8th.

Hope no ones ready to rip any ones head off yet This is a confusing topic.

[adaylate]

The outdoornews has a good artical about the confusion that some hunters are having and explains the allseason license well.1 buck and 1 doe with that license.Both can be harvested during the bow season and muzzel season. firearms a buck or [doe only with a permit.]and yes you can buy and use ihp in areas that are open.If you want you can legally harvest 5 deer total with the allseason license 1 buck 4 does if you hunt in the areas open to that harvest total.

[Mark Christianson]

Hmmm
You wrote buck OR doe for firearms.
Did you mean buck AND doe(if you have a valid doe permit)?

[adaylate]

Yep, It's in the law book.

[mdeiley]

Korn i will wait for the response. i appreciate your efferts. my true question still remains as a question. the only advantage the all season license gains is the taking of an additional doe in specific areas. we all know that angle.
being the new change is allowing us to take an additional doe (which clearly spells out to me the huge QDM problem we already have in MN) i am assuming the current all season license was provided for taking more does (thus to help the buck to doe ratio we currently have) simply because not enough archers and muzzle loaders are taking enough does to get the results the DNR is looking for.
(the largest group of hunters purchasing licenses are by far firearms license holders, far to dangerous to open that completely to either sex tags. results would be drastic for herd management.) therefore i believe the DNR's thinking was to ease into this by allowing the all season tags.
givin that theory (and the fact that previous archery and muzzleloader tags were for either sex, i base my question on) can you tag both deer tags given out at the time of all season purchase, on does?
first tag being buck only- which in the past has been open to buck or doe during the archery and muzzle seasons. the second tag is obviously doe only. also all management and intensive harvest tags are doe only. again my question does not include the firearms season. only with archery and or muzzle.

P.S.shoot lots of deer, car repairs are far to costly.

[Mayfly]

Don't mean to offend anyone but this conversation is stupid. If you don't know the god **** rules get a regulation book and if you can't understand it then I'm not too sure you should be in the woods with a gun!

[adaylate]

I agree this is getting old. It's all in the law books and what i've written in my past posts is true.Mdeiley, NO THE BUCK TAG IS USED FOR WHAT IT SAYS BUCK.This is not difficult.

[metrojoe]

http://www.dnr.state.mn.us/news/releases/index.html?id=1061313592