What a dang waste and shame!

[RebelSS]

Repairs and fixes for 2.0-liter Volkswagen and Audi TDI models:

 

There are three generations of the 2.0-liter turbo-diesel four-cylinder, and all will require different fixes (from simple software updates to complete, and potentially performance-crippling, hardware retrofits). As of January 6, 2017, Volkswagen announced a complete fix for 2015 TDI models with the third-generation engine. This will involve installing a second NOx sensor and a new or replacement diesel-oxidation catalyst. In March 2017, VW received approval to sell these cars, of which there are approximately 12,000 new and 67,000 used.

On May 19, 2017, VW received approval to repair 2012–2014 Passat TDI models. A total of 84,391 cars are included, except those with manual transmissions; CARB said VW had not shown sufficient evidence that they will be made compliant. VW is awaiting approval to resell these vehicles as used cars.

Buybacks and compensation for 3.0-liter Volkswagen and Audi TDI and Porsche diesel models:

As of December 21, 2016, Volkswagen reached a second settlement with the roughly 78,000 owners and lessees of 3.0-liter diesel models. In late January 2017, Volkswagen announced a $1.2 billion program that differs substantially from the $10 billion program for 2.0-liter diesel models. Judge Breyer approved the final settlement amount on May 11, 2017. Currently, only owners of 2009–2012 Audi Q7 and Volkswagen Touareg models with the Generation 1 engine are eligible for buybacks between $24,755 to $57,157. This is because Volkswagen cannot repair them to be emissions compliant. Generation 1 lessees of 2012 vehicles can receive between $5001 and $6615 for terminating their leases early. Generation 1 owners who do not sell their cars back to Volkswagen can receive $7755 to $13,880. For complete details, see the court’s handy executive summary.

For Generation 2 models between 2013–2016, Volkswagen will offer cash compensation ranging from $7039 to $16,114; if the recall isn’t made “timely available,” the automaker will buy them back for prices between $43,153 to $99,862 and extend any warranties that might expire until the recall is ready. Generation 2 lessees can receive between $5677 and $12,492 for terminating their leases early. If lessees decide to keep their cars and perform the fix, they each receive a flat $2000. In all cases with Generation 2 cars, owners and lessees can opt to receive half of the cash payments up front and the other half once the vehicle is repaired. Generation 2 owners and lessees are also eligible to receive up to $1500 each as part of a separate $327.5 million settlement with Bosch, the supplier of the emissions software. Details are available here.

These prices have been set using NADA Used Car Guide Clean Retail values as of November 2015 and adjusted for options, mileage, and the region the vehicle was registered in as of that month. The 2016 diesel models will be repurchased at 12.9 percent above prices for equivalent 2015 models. Owners and lessees will also be reimbursed for state and local taxes. The registration deadline is December 31, 2019. Owners and lessees will get the same payment (adjusted for mileage) regardless of when they register.

Repairs and fixes for 3.0-liter Volkswagen and Audi TDI and Porsche diesel models:

 

There are two versions of the 3.0-liter turbo-diesel V-6 that require different modifications. The Generation 1 engines in the 2009–2012 Audi Q7 and Volkswagen Touareg cannot be made fully compliant with EPA regulations. Generation 2 engines in 2013–2016 models can be fixed under a formal recall that must be approved by the EPA and CARB no later than December 20, 2017, or else Volkswagen must pay owners an additional penalty. On those 58,000 models, Audi said on November 23, 2015, that it would update the software and “resubmit” its emissions applications after the EPA found undocumented “auxiliary emission control devices” that were allowing excessive levels of NOx.

[delcecchi]

41 minutes ago, PurpleFloyd said:

So, first you tell me " if you were watching the story closely" then when I posted a link supporting what I said to be fact, your response was that your memory is bad and you were making a hypothesis. Classic. 

The "if you were watching the story" was referring to the actions of VW.   Your link about mercedes was full of weasel words and little actual hard information.  

 

2 hours ago, PurpleFloyd said:

it cannot be ruled out that the authorities might reach the conclusion that Mercedes-Benz diesel vehicles have similar functionalities

And from the link you posted...

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Daimler AG is finding itself in the crosshairs and wondering whether it could be the next target in a crackdown on diesel emissions scams.

The automaker issued an advisory Wednesday that it could face penalties such as fines and recalls as regulators in the U.S. and abroad look to see if the German luxury maker violated rules covering its various diesel models. Authorities have been taking a close look at claims made by a number of manufacturers in the wake of revelations that Volkswagen used a so-called “defeat device” to illegally pass U.S. diesel emissions tests.

 

Seems like no evidence they did anything wrong has surfaced yet.   Maybe, maybe not.   So, what facts are you referring to?

 

And are you disputing the stuff about BMW and VW as well?  

 

Oh, and from wikipedia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_emissions_scandal

 

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In 2005, parts of VW intended to purchase Mercedes' BlueTec system for reducing pollution, but other parts of VW rejected that and preferred to develop their own system.^[32][33][34]

 

Edited June 22, 2017 by delcecchi

[swamptiger]

31 minutes ago, PurpleFloyd said:

I would guess it is going to create more pollution rounding up, transporting, scrapping and reclaiming those cars than the excess they would have emitted in their lifespan vs the cars that replace them. 

 

Right next to the river, no less.  Isn't anyone from the EPA concerned about this?

 

 

[leech~~]

1 hour ago, swamptiger said:

 

Right next to the river, no less.  Isn't anyone from the EPA concerned about this?

 

 

 

Probably no worse then the paper sludge biwaste that was coming out of that plant a few years ago!

Edited June 22, 2017 by leech~~

[RebelSS]

Ever been to Stevens Point or Wisconsin Rapids? 

[delcecchi]

MMmmm Cloquet....   Smells like money.

[leech~~]

31 minutes ago, delcecchi said:

MMmmm Cloquet....   Smells like money.

 

Not sure if their still producing cardboard up at that plant anymore?

[swamptiger]

19 minutes ago, leech~~ said:

 

Not sure if their still producing cardboard up at that plant anymore?

 

I think they're shut down, too.  Smells like no money and more welfare...

 

 

[PurpleFloyd]

9 hours ago, delcecchi said:

The "if you were watching the story" was referring to the actions of VW.   Your link about mercedes was full of weasel words and little actual hard information.  

 

And from the link you posted...

 

Seems like no evidence they did anything wrong has surfaced yet.   Maybe, maybe not.   So, what facts are you referring to?

 

And are you disputing the stuff about BMW and VW as well?  

 

Oh, and from wikipedia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_emissions_scandal

 

 

First off, the comment I made which you replied to with a hypothesis never stated that there was proof they did anything wrong. I merely and accurately stated that there was a chance they did some of the same things and it appears that may be the case.

 

You said plainly that VW could have chosen the Daimler tech but chose not to. In the end doing so may very well have found them in the same boat.

 

 

[Jim Almquist]

On 6/22/2017 at 0:00 PM, delcecchi said:

MMmmm Cloquet....   Smells like money.

 

They are now making a cloth made out of trees and it seems like the plant is doing just fine. I have not noticed the "smell" since the conversion. Always made me wonder why the smell was the worst on weekends. Kinda thought that maybe the EPA did not work weekends 

[leech~~]

1 hour ago, Jim Almquist said:

 

They are now making a cloth made out of trees and it seems like the plant is doing just fine. I have not noticed the "smell" since the conversion. Always made me wonder why the smell was the worst on weekends. Kinda thought that maybe the EPA did not work weekends 

 

No, weekends was when the wife could get you outside to do some yard work!