Zach Mettenberger

[FutbolGuru]

Mobility is simply another tool to help an incoming qb succeed. Arguing against that makes zero sense. NFL scouts agree as guys like Bortles, Bridgewater, Carr and Manziel are all labeled as early rd picks because they are athletic on top of being good passers. Murray, Zach, Jimmy G., Fales, can all sling the ball as well but do not have that extra gear to extend a play. Its pretty simple. Can an immobile pocket qb work out? Of course! But you have a higher percentage chance of hitting on a guy who has that extra tool. Be smart. Id rather see them take bpa at 40th overall vs reaching for a qb just because. Unless they really like one of these guys, wait till rd 3 before closing your eyes and swinging for the fences.

[DrJuice1980]

A rookie QB will not completely alter an OCs play book. There may be a wrinkle or 2 involved but the league is still a pocket passing league because it's proven to be successful. It's not as simple as "extending the play."

[FISHINGURU]

Mobility is simply another tool to help an incoming qb succeed. Arguing against that makes zero sense. NFL scouts agree as guys like Bortles, Bridgewater, Carr and Manziel are all labeled as early rd picks because they are athletic on top of being good passers. Murray, Zach, Jimmy G., Fales, can all sling the ball as well but do not have that extra gear to extend a play. Its pretty simple.

Not really, mobile rookie QB's have a tendency to want to run too early and not go through their reads, being mobile can actually hurt your progression.

I do like QB's that can extend plays and some of them don't even have to be very mobile, sometimes all it takes is a simple side step and then step up into the pocket, you don't have to be a fast runner to be mobile.

[FutbolGuru]

FishingGuru, agreed. You dont need to be a fast runner to be effective at buying time/extending a play. The problem is its extremely hard to know which of the unathletic qb types can keep their cool and shift around in the pocket (like a Tom Brady) before they are actually playing in the NFL and have world class athletes in their face every snap. The athletic QB comes in better equipped to handle pressure at the NFL level. Todays NFL qbs are twice the athletes they were just a few years ago. Rodgers, Winston, Mariotta, RG3, Cam, Luck, Bortles, Manziel, Wilson, Kaep, Rothlisberger, etc. is the way GMs want to draft... Tom Brady will always have a place in the NFL, Im not saying pocket qbs arent effective. Im just pointing out that an athletic qb with the same type of awareness, arm and accuracy as a non athletic qb has a higher chance of succeeding in the NFL. Stay patient with the 2nd tier guys in this draft unless you absolutely love one of them. You don't have to reach for Matt Cassel 2.0 at 40 overall.

[BuckSutherland]

Mobility is simply another tool to help an incoming qb succeed. Arguing against that makes zero sense. NFL scouts agree as guys like Bortles, Bridgewater, Carr and Manziel are all labeled as early rd picks because they are athletic on top of being good passers. Murray, Zach, Jimmy G., Fales, can all sling the ball as well but do not have that extra gear to extend a play. Its pretty simple. Can an immobile pocket qb work out? Of course! But you have a higher percentage chance of hitting on a guy who has that extra tool. Be smart. Id rather see them take bpa at 40th overall vs reaching for a qb just because. Unless they really like one of these guys, wait till rd 3 before closing your eyes and swinging for the fences.

Looks like Tajh Boyd is your guy then.

[DrJuice1980]

You dont need to be a fast runner to be effective at buying time/extending a play. The problem is its extremely hard to know which of the unathletic qb types can keep their cool and shift around in the pocket (like a Tom Brady) before they are actually playing in the NFL and have world class athletes in their face every snap. The athletic QB comes in better equipped to handle pressure at the NFL level. Todays NFL qbs are twice the athletes they were just a few years ago. Rodgers, Winston, Mariotta, RG3, Cam, Luck, Bortles, Manziel, Wilson, Kaep, Rothlisberger, etc. is the way GMs want to draft... Tom Brady will always have a place in the NFL, Im not saying pocket qbs arent effective. Im just pointing out that an athletic qb with the same type of awareness, arm and accuracy as a non athletic qb has a higher chance of succeeding in the NFL. Stay patient with the 2nd tier guys in this draft unless you absolutely love one of them. You don't have to reach for Matt Cassel 2.0 at 40 overall.

Unathletic? I am certain there is no nonathletic QB in the league. Its an athletic position in a very athletic sport. A lot of who you think may be "unathletic" CHOOSE not to run because their odds of a better play is in their arms, not feet. The QB position is still all about drop back and pass and if you think otherwise then you should really watch more football at the NFL level.

"Todays NFL qbs are twice the athletes they were just a few years ago. Rodgers, Winston, Mariotta, RG3, Cam, Luck, Bortles, Manziel, Wilson, Kaep, Rothlisberger, etc. is the way GMs want to draft."

4 of those listed QBs arent even in the league yet, 2 of which have more college ball in them. I am not sure where you were planning to go with this comment but it makes no sense. Also Big Ben sure gets sacked a lot wouldnt his said style of play help avoid a lot of those sacks?

If it was all about athleticism like you seem imply then what ever happened to Eric Crouch?

It seems like you think its easy to find a successful QB out there in the draft any year but its not that easy. Its 1 of 32 jobs in the entire world, youre not going to find multiple options out there.

[FutbolGuru]

It seems like you think its easy to find a successful QB out there in the draft any year but its not that easy. Its 1 of 32 jobs in the entire world, youre not going to find multiple options out there.

Hmm... DR Juice, scratching my head at your comment. I've actually been stating the complete opposite. My point all along has been about how I hate the idea of reaching for a pocket passer like Mettenberger, Fales, Murray, Jimmy G., etc. at 40 overall unless you absolutely think one of them is the guy. It's a complete craps shoot so why not wait till round 3 to gamble on one as half of them will still be on the board at that time... as deep as this draft is you are doing yourself a disservice not drafting BPA at 40 overall. If your BPA at 40 overall is a QB... great. Take one. If not, don't reach just because we don't have a quality QB. If you're going to reach, reach for one of the top tier guys at 8, who just happen to be better at extending plays behind the line of scrimmage than the 2nd tier guys (but apparently this is just some weird cooincidence that the top ranked guys two years ago, last year, this year, and next year, have that attribute).

[FISHINGURU]

Also Big Ben sure gets sacked a lot wouldnt his said style of play help avoid a lot of those sacks?

Big Ben is a beast IMO, their line has been so terrible the past few years, they also have no run game, he'd probably be paralyzed without his ability to scramble and extend a play.

[DrJuice1980]

Big Ben blows. Guys a real life puke and his game was covered up for so many years by his D.

Raped some chick in a guarded bathroom. Defense of him is inexcusable. Worse than Vick.

[FISHINGURU]

The story I heard was much different then yours.

[DrJuice1980]

Maybe you're thinking of the other rape case.

[FISHINGURU]

Possibly, the one I heard was about Big Ben and a dude, when Big Ben was done with him they started calling the guy DrLoose.

[DrJuice1980]

You got that one flipped around, evidence:

And it looks like it was consensual:

[FISHINGURU]

Hahahaha, looks like he loved it!!

[Northlander]

Big Ben blows. Guys a real life puke and his game was covered up for so many years by his D.

Raped some chick in a guarded bathroom. Defense of him is inexcusable. Worse than Vick.

YUP!