Manziel Debate

[FISHINGURU]

LMIT and Big Dave are right, it turns out the vending machine wouldn't take JM's money so he was trying to roll it up to straighten it out.

[Big Dave2]

If he was wearing purple I would have burned any vikings items I had. Been quite clear about that.

If that's the case you must not have any Vikings items left to burn after Randy Moss, The love boat scandal, Chris Cook, etc, etc.

http://www.twincities.com/ci_21069428/vikings-dominate-nfl-trouble

http://www.1500espn.com/sportswire/Vikin..._are_down062914

[CaptainMusky]

BigDave, I never wanted JM as a Viking, I think he is going to be a terrible OVERHYPED QB who does not possess a game suitable for the NFL. Notwithstanding all his off the field issues. Those are just more red flags to me.

If he was Andrew Luck with off the field issues, well, then maybe I would consider giving him a shot to see if he could turn it around. Clearly he has off the field problems. His career may not last as long as Tebow's at this rate.

[Scott K]

BigDave, I never wanted JM as a Viking, I think he is going to be a terrible OVERHYPED QB who does not possess a game suitable for the NFL. Notwithstanding all his off the field issues. Those are just more red flags to me.

If he was Andrew Luck with off the field issues, well, then maybe I would consider giving him a shot to see if he could turn it around. Clearly he has off the field problems. His career may not last as long as Tebow's at this rate.

I guess what he does when off work, and not in camp, doesnt really bother me at all. Live it up! Come training camp, it will be time to stop the partying. I sure dont want people following me around all day, all night, every day, watching me, while I am not at work.

[Big Dave2]

BigDave, I never wanted JM as a Viking, I think he is going to be a terrible OVERHYPED QB who does not possess a game suitable for the NFL. Notwithstanding all his off the field issues. Those are just more red flags to me.

If he was Andrew Luck with off the field issues, well, then maybe I would consider giving him a shot to see if he could turn it around. Clearly he has off the field problems. His career may not last as long as Tebow's at this rate.

So, you are saying you would not choose the collegiate QB with the better stats in a tougher conference and it has nothing to do with off field issues? Sounds crazy to me.

[LMITOUT]

If he was wearing purple I would have burned any vikings items I had. Been quite clear about that.

As clear as the photos of Bigfoot or Johnny Football in a dark nightclub.

[CaptainMusky]

So, you are saying you would not choose the collegiate QB with the better stats in a tougher conference and it has nothing to do with off field issues? Sounds crazy to me.

Are understand stats are important to you. What the hypocracy is the stats about his off the field issues vs someone like Luck are stats that you ignore.

Do College Football stats directly correlate to NFL success?

Before you answer that, please think about it for a moment and all the QB busts over the years.

[CaptainMusky]

So, you are saying you would not choose the collegiate QB with the better stats in a tougher conference and it has nothing to do with off field issues? Sounds crazy to me.

Are you saying you would take JM over Andrew Luck? Whoa boy. Preposterous statement of the year candidate there.

[Big Dave2]

Are understand stats are important to you. What the hypocracy is the stats about his off the field issues vs someone like Luck are stats that you ignore.

You stated above that you didn't want him in a Vikings Uniform because of his QB ability and not his off-field problems but it seems to me that it is all about the off-field problems and nothing to do with his ability since one could certainly make the case that he could have been one of the best college QBs of all time.

Of course college stats do not directly correlate to NFL success all the time but what else do you have to go by? If not for the off-field problems, what reason would a team have for not wanting to draft the best college QB of his era?

[CaptainMusky]

I didn't say because of his stats. Because of his style of play and his mechanics. I don't think those will translate to NFL any better than Tebows did.

[DrJuice1980]

Big Dave must be going down with no hands seeing that he's still able to type. Or maybe he's giving sign language to LMIT for his posts. It has to be one of them. They def are at the same party, drinking the same kool aid for a while now. Big Dave is still hanging on to college stats even thou JM is a backup to one of the leagues bottom feeder QBs. Sad. I wonder why those college stats didn't get him drafted in the top 10 or why they didn't "earn" him a starter role... But who am I to judge ol high and mighty "Big" Dave. Don't take the bait Captain, that's all he has.

All LMIT has in his arguement is the pixilated picture defense, as if he was unrecognizable. I know I know, you thought the Bigfoot comparison was genius, it got kinda lame after you repeated it many times. You didn't even rinse, you just repeated...

[DrJuice1980]

One would surely think the best college QB stats mean something in the pros, just ask Tim Tebow!

"Gurgle Gurgle, Slurp Slurp"

Did you say something Big Dave?

[LMITOUT]

All LMIT has in his arguement is the pixilated picture defense, as if he was unrecognizable.

And using a crummy picture to call the subject a doper is acceptable? Come on. I guess you're a bigger mouth breather than I had originally thought.

[Big Dave2]

One would surely think the best college QB stats mean something in the pros, just ask Tim Tebow!

If you think Tim Tebow's college stats are anything close to JF's stats that explains your ignorance on this subject.

[Big Dave2]

I didn't say because of his stats. Because of his style of play and his mechanics. I don't think those will translate to NFL any better than Tebows did.

Find me anyone who ever considered Tim Tebow a great "passing" QB. You and Juice obviously never watch any SEC football. Carry on with your Mighty Gopher fascination, I prefer to follow the "big leagues" of college football.

[LMITOUT]

Meanwhile in Cleveland...

[CaptainMusky]

Find me anyone who ever considered Tim Tebow a great "passing" QB. You and Juice obviously never watch any SEC football. Carry on with your Mighty Gopher fascination, I prefer to follow the "big leagues" of college football.

did tebow play for the gophers? I thought he played for a team in the "big leagues" of college football? My bad.

Yeah their stats don't compare at all. Almost identical completion percentage and yards per attempt. Comparable passing and rushing TDs. The sample size is smaller with Manziel and tebow had on avg fewer pass attempts but otherwise numbers are comparable.

[Big Dave2]

did tebow play for the gophers? I thought he played for a team in the "big leagues" of college football? My bad.

Yeah their stats don't compare at all. Almost identical completion percentage and yards per attempt. Comparable passing and rushing TDs. The sample size is smaller with Manziel and tebow had on avg fewer pass attempts but otherwise numbers are comparable.

No, Tebow did not play for the Goofers. That must be why you know nothing about his college career.

Comparable stats? What year did Tebow have over 4,000 yards passing?

[CaptainMusky]

So then what does the gophers have to do with this? Nothing.

Tebow didn't throw over 4000, but he had 3300 and 2800 (twice) on roughly 100 fewer attempts each season. If the throws 100 more times at an avg of 6.3 per completion then they are neck and neck.

[Big Dave2]

So then what does the gophers have to do with this? Nothing.

Tebow didn't throw over 4000, but he had 3300 and 2800 (twice) on roughly 100 fewer attempts each season. If the throws 100 more times at an avg of 6.3 per completion then they are neck and neck.

Should I type s-l-o-w-e-r so you can understand? I brought up the Goofers because obviously that is the only college team you follow because you certainly don't know anything about the SEC.

Yeah JM and TTs stats are the same except for the extra 1000 yards that JM threw for as only a college sophomore. JM was only about 1400 yards shy of Tebow's total passing stats while only playing for 2 years instead of Tebow's 4. Yeah, the stats are the same

[CaptainMusky]

Sure when you completely ignore the fact that he had 100 more attempts per season your logic makes perfect sense.

Completion %, yards per attempt, TD rushing, TD passing, avg rush are all relatively close.

But OK, I understand you just use the stats that matter to your argument and conveniently ignore the rest.

[Big Dave2]

Sure when you completely ignore the fact that he had 100 more attempts per season your logic makes perfect sense.

Completion %, yards per attempt, TD rushing, TD passing, avg rush are all relatively close.

But OK, I understand you just use the stats that matter to your argument and conveniently ignore the rest.

Ever think there is a reason one QB has more attempts than another? Ponder must be just as good as Payton Manning, he just didn't get as many attempts.

[CaptainMusky]

The gators were a rush first offense? Manziel had no running back?

[Big Dave2]

The gators were a rush first offense? Manziel had no running back?

And why do you suppose they had a rush first offense? Was it because they had the best passing QB in college football? I doubt it.

[LMITOUT]

Good lowered, Big Dave is owning this.