APR's good for hunter recruitment but not for retention?

[pike79]

It will start at 4 points a side, then the horn porn guys will push for it to be 5, then 6, then 7, and so on. Where does that get us?

It will never be good enough for the hunters that have to keep up with the Jones.

[flipper]

For some of us hunting is just great to be in the woods and spending time with friends and family passing on traditions, for others it has become a competition and a way to force their one-sided beliefs on others.

[tfran123]

And perhaps your belief in mowing down the young bucks doesn't jive with mine as I'd like to shoot a mature buck once and awhile. Two sides to the issue, always is. But ultimately the tradition of hunting is hugely important to me as well. You can still have tradition without taking a large proportion of young bucks, pretty ignorant IMO.

[flipper]

yes you are a bit ignorant because somehow you missed my post of how I had not shot a buck in 15 years although I have had numerous chances. You TV show wannabes are ruining the sport.

[22lex]

Just wait

For what, more hunter approval in Zone 3....feel free to let us know what state this has happened in.

Again, I don't claim to cite biology on this. This is about increasing mature buck ratios, and hunter approval. Whether you like it or not in zone 3 I don't care one bit, it's just a little tedious reading about all the complaining from people who don't hunt here but believe their tradition should be shoved down our throats.

[tfran123]

yes you are a bit ignorant because somehow you missed my post of how I had not shot a buck in 15 years although I have had numerous chances. You TV show wannabes are ruining the sport.

I did miss that, sorry. Don't categorize all that want APR as TV wannabes however, I don't fit that mold. APR will not ruin the sport, but obviously you disagree which is fine.

[96trigger]

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t will start at 4 points a side, then the horn porn guys will push for it to be 5, then 6, then 7, and so on. Where does that get us?

Really? This is your argument? You need to take the tin foil helmet off and come out of the bunker. This will not happen, seriously. Of all the arguments against APR, I find this the weakest and most childish. I can agree to disagree with those that don't want more regulations, but to say nothing will ever be good enough, that's paranoia at its best.

[PurpleFloyd]

Not every 1.5 year old is shot, if that were the case, then there would be no bucks, period, right? What we probably should say is that too many are getting shot.

[96trigger]

If you really feel that way, there is no point in arguing. It appears to me that you are grasping at air, as much as I am sure you feel that I am. If after 34 years of hunting, you struggle to distinguish between a 1.5 and 2.5 year old deer, I can not help you. In zone 3, that is not the case. There are two classes of bucks, forks and baskets, and then everything else. If you can't tell the difference between a fork/basket buck, and one that meets APR, you probably should not hunt in areas where there are APR and I don't mean that to insult you. I bow hunt, gun hunt, and muzzle loader hunt, in my opinion, and I am not alone in that opinion, young bucks are the easiest to get in range. Many anti APR guys on this site have said that a mature doe is the most difficult to kill. And that they are the true trophy's. We can keep talking in circles and cut and pasting all day, but i don't see it going anywhere.

[tritonman]

I'm not understanding some of the thinking of the guys that are against APR. You keep saying that "YOU" have to pass up small bucks so that "WE" can shoot them when they've grown a "Monster Rack". Do you not understand that "WE" also have to pass those same deer up and that "YOU" can shoot those "Monster Racks" too!?!?! Those deer you pass up don't get shot by anyone else and barring some other fatality they will be there for "ALL OF US" to shoot when they mature.