With lots of sales going on right now, which is the better flasher, LX 5 or FL-22HD?

[leech~~]

No, it does not matter what brand it is. The size of the band (light) is generated by the light source used by each mfg. It has nothing to do with how much separation the unit has.

People keep talking about how nice and thin the light bands are on their units, so it has better separation. No it just has a thinner or thicker light bands! The light band is just a display of the signal received, shown in LIGHT by the size of the bulb in the unit!.

[fishwater]

No, it does not matter what brand it is. The size of the band (light) is generated by the light source used by each mfg. It has nothing to do with how much separation the unit has.

People keep taking about how nice and thin the light bands are on their units, so it has better separation. No it just has a thinner or fatter fuzzy light bands! The light band is just a display of the signal received, shown in LIGHT!.

I'm sorry for your confusion. Again, it has everything to do with the separation possible. If a 1" lure needs a proportion of the display that reflects 3" of the water column, it has everything to do with the separation possible for that unit and the real target resolution. Not the technical specified resolution, but the real resolution. Just think about it please, it's all straightforward.

[fishwater]

As an extreme example, let's say a flasher only has the ability to display a super wide band, half of the entire display for a 1" lure in the 20' setting. Half of this display represents half of the water column, so the lure shows up as 10'.

How many distinct lures with separation between them can be shown in the column? The answer would be two. How much would the targets need to be separated? Over 10'. So this unit would have target separation minimally of 10' under this setup.

[leech~~]

Lets try this.

Would you agree that a lighted band on any make or brand of a flasher indicates a target?

[fishwater]

Lets try this.

Would you agree that a lighted band on any make or brand of a flasher indicates a target?

It could be a bit of noise, but yes, a band of light indicates a target. I'm with you so far.

[leech~~]

Good, would you agree then that if you have two targets A & B. The space or gap between them is the target separation?

[fishwater]

Nope, that is the space between targets. Target separation is the minimum distance targets A and B need to be apart to make them discrete marks on the screen.

[leech~~]

Yes but, when you do have two marks-targets on your screen the gap between them is called a separation right? No matter what size each target is they are definded as a line band separated by the top edge of one and bottom edge of the other. As long as the two edges of each Target items are apart and show a gap they still indicate a separation. When they come to close together and form one band you have lost target separation.

[Hardyboy]

That still has nothing to do with the size of band any flasher brand is showing on their unit when people talk about how thin and crisp their bands are.

It does when your using a digital flasher and dont have the aforementioned "light" to contend with.

[BartmanMN]

Only true test is to put big sinkers on your line at set distances and see how close you can put them together and still see separation on the flasher. This would have been achieved at a shootout. Skinny line, fat line. The distance between is the separation like Leech states, just a matter of how close the two can come without turning into 1 line.

[CaptainMusky]

Good, would you agree then that if you have two targets A & B. The space or gap between them is the target separation?

The distance you are seeing there is not defined as target separation. Target separation is where you have two objects and the distance they need to be apart in order to be detected as separate objects. The gap you see on your display could be 3 or 10 objects that only two of them are separated enough for your flasher to detect them as separate objects and not the same one. Using lines on the display is not a way to determine what the flasher is capable of separation wise, UNLESS you know exactly how far apart the objects are, hence the buckshot test on the line.

[CaptainMusky]

This is what I really love. We call a Flasher Shoot-out for a month and not one marcum guy comes forward! But they sure stick up for their unit? Wow. Next year fellows let's do it and stop all this B-S!

So how did the shootout turn out this year?

[leech~~]

Here is what is stated on the vex-web site.

Sonar resolution, or target separation, is the units ability to separate one target from another. For example, separating a fish from the bottom or one fish from another one close by.

That doesn't sound the same as I stated above?

Would you agree then that if you have two targets A & B. The space or gap between them is the target separation?

[fishwater]

Here is what is stated on the vex-web site.

Sonar resolution, or target separation, is the units ability to separate one target from another. For example, separating a fish from the bottom or one fish from another one close by.

That doesn't sound the same as I stated above?

Would you agree then that if you have two targets A & B. The space or gap between them is the target separation?

It has some of the same words, but different meaning. In the second case target separation is dependent on the setup of the angler. You could be riding you're bait 2' of bottom; that isn't the target separation. In the first, it clearly states it's the unit's ability and clearly assumes we are all talking about the minimum distance, not just some arbitrary distance.

[CaptainMusky]

Here is what is stated on the vex-web site.

Sonar resolution, or target separation, is the units ability to separate one target from another. For example, separating a fish from the bottom or one fish from another one close by.

That doesn't sound the same as I stated above?

Would you agree then that if you have two targets A & B. The space or gap between them is the target separation?

Thats same different not same same.

There is perceived target separation and target separation as defined within the limits of the flasher. Perceived target separation would be what you see on your display, target separation in terms of limitations of the flasher would be its ability to separate two objects as being two objects. If your flasher has 2" target separation and a fish is 1" from your bait, your flasher would show this as ONE object, not two. If the fish is 4" from your bait and you have 1" target separation capabilities with your unit it would be two distinct objects.

[PFUNK]

When the one line moves up towards the other line, I feel a bite and set the hook.

DTro, you need to speak louder ... apparently no one heard you...

[Hardyboy]

This is what I really love. We call a Flasher Shoot-out for a month and not one marcum guy comes forward! But they sure stick up for their unit? Wow. Next year fellows let's do it and stop all this B-S!

[MidCoast]

Hmm. Some people love the Vexilar while others love their Marcum. I guess the best sale will be the deciding factor for me then. Since both seems to be good.

[CaptainMusky]

Hmm. Some people love the Vexilar while others love their Marcum. I guess the best sale will be the deciding factor for me then. Since both seems to be good.

that is about the long and short of it.

FYI -- Marcum has a $50 rebate on LX 5 and 3TC through 2/15 on top of the screamin sale prices I have seen listed around.

[Werewolf]

I have a FL 22 since late last year, I am on the second head and forth transducer vex sent me last week, this is what I found out after watching tom Z from vexilar talk about transducers, my problem was the Tri beam , it acts differently from a straight beam and its not as good , I purchased a 12 degree and this thing is great now, I dont even have to touch the gain now most of the day and can see my two jigs all day , the tri beam would never do this , STAY AWAY from THE TRI BEAM, just get the 12 Degree and you will love it...it took me over a year to find this out..

[Twins 57 Fan]

Vex had some problems with the 12 degree cone in their intitial run at it. It has since been fixed and if you were to bring your unit in to vexilar they would test your Tri Beam ducer. If it was one of the older defective ones they swap them out free of charge.

My brother and I had this done to ours and we have not had a problem since, so this information is accurate.

[Werewolf]

I had it swaped out four times, still the same. I just came back fron lake oenida perch fishing for two days and the 12 degree worked great , the tri beams do not work as good , I very rarely have to adjust my gain now, with the tri beam it was a never ending battle..... fish next to somebody with the 12 degree and compair the tri beam and you will see the difference...

[hamms-scooter]

I had a dual beam that I just loved on my fl-8se. It worked for 3 years. Now the 19 degree on it is done.... have to have the gain up to like 4 to 6 to see a blinking jig. I put the original 19 back on and all was fixed. I will not be buying another multiple beam ducer again. I was told that the duals were not that great to begin with and that the tri beams had a messed up epoxy in them and that is all fixed now, coming from Pat at vex. My buddys 22 has been fine since new this year, has the tri.

[Twins 57 Fan]

Different story then me buddy. I have owned different vexilars and have zero problems with mine. You have had some bad luck

[Werewolf]

Twins fan, plug in a 12 degree and you will see a big change...