Trout Sushi?

[Nate McVey]

I guess from what i read.. Salt water fish do not carry parasites? and fresh water do... so i think i'll be nixing this idea

[jwmiller33]

When I was in Alaska last year, while fileting our kings our guide said it is tradition on his boat to eat a chunk of the filet and toast to the salmon gods (if your willing of course). I didn't even think twice and obliged. It didn't taste like much. I'm not sure on the salt/fresh water classification of the salmon in that case as they come from the ocean but we caught them in the inland rivers. Now that is as fresh as sushi as you can get! It was still swimming around 20 minutes before I ate it.

Not sure what the big deal is with sushi. The salmon I ate honestly had zero taste. It was like I was eating a big chunk of nothing. Salmon is much better cooked IMO. I'd imagine trout would be the same

[Ufatz]

Steve: Do all the boys a favor and look up the definitions of the three terms.....sushi, sashimi and cerviche. You'll probably find some different spellings but you will quickly learn that people are mixing up the terms/names for three different dishes.

There is a MAJOR difference between sushi and sashimi!!!

Yours for better understanding and peace around the campfire.

[bobbymalone]

Is there some reason ocean fish is used while freshwater fish is not?

the easy answer is ocean fish are plentiful in japan.

if you are really worried about parasites from freshwater fish you shouldn't be eating saltwater fish raw either.

[goblueM]

not to mention that in general saltwater fish are just more tasty than freshwater fish

you know what I find interesting? On land, the best tasting animals are herbivores, near the bottom of the food chain. But in the ocean, we love to eat top predators like swordfish, mahi mahi, and tuna. Kind of an interesting contrast, don't you think?

[itchmesir]

When I was in Alaska last year, while fileting our kings our guide said it is tradition on his boat to eat a chunk of the filet and toast to the salmon gods (if your willing of course). I didn't even think twice and obliged. It didn't taste like much. I'm not sure on the salt/fresh water classification of the salmon in that case as they come from the ocean but we caught them in the inland rivers. Now that is as fresh as sushi as you can get! It was still swimming around 20 minutes before I ate it.

Not sure what the big deal is with sushi. The salmon I ate honestly had zero taste. It was like I was eating a big chunk of nothing. Salmon is much better cooked IMO. I'd imagine trout would be the same

When you cook ANYTHING you lose a majority of the nutrients that are in that food.. that's the big deal

[Ufatz]

Not true. Ocean fisheries near Japan are severely depleted due to over-fishing. That is why Japanese fleets are found all over the world. The diet heavy in fish is traditional and the reason for the world-wide pursuit of fish to feed the homeland. Many countries, including the US, have had and continue to have treaty battles with the Japanese. Alaska has raised international hell on several occasions over Japanese violations of salmon treaties. There may be a few small inshore fisheries in the northern islands of Japan, but they are NOT capable of feeding their people from their own resources.

Hence they travel the world to harvest OTHER peoples marine food fish!

[itchmesir]

I hope you don't have a stigma towards the Japanese over this.. the whole stealing others resources.. because the US does it with almost anything that the average consumer uses

[jwmiller33]

When you cook ANYTHING you lose a majority of the nutrients that are in that food.. that's the big deal

So the reason so many people love sushi is because of how healthy it is?

[goblueM]

Not true. Ocean fisheries near Japan are severely depleted due to over-fishing. That is why Japanese fleets are found all over the world. The diet heavy in fish is traditional and the reason for the world-wide pursuit of fish to feed the homeland. Many countries, including the US, have had and continue to have treaty battles with the Japanese. Alaska has raised international hell on several occasions over Japanese violations of salmon treaties. There may be a few small inshore fisheries in the northern islands of Japan, but they are NOT capable of feeding their people from their own resources.

Hence they travel the world to harvest OTHER peoples marine food fish!

you could say that for about half of the nations on Earth. Name a fishery and its overfished, undergoing overfishing, or has been severely overfished in the past even if overfishing is no longer occurring.

Outside of exclusive economic zones there is little capability for enforcement of the very minimal regulatory mechanisms currently in place. Even when scientists recommend a total allowable catch limit, nations usually ignore this number

[Ufatz]

Uhhh....no, I don't "have a stigma" against the Japanese over it! Ha Ha Ha.

But the record shows they DO have a habit of violating fishery treaties. But then so do the Russians, the Poles, the Chinese..Ha Ha Ha.

You probably don't want to get into a lengthy discussion of international fishery treaties here.

[itchmesir]

So the reason so many people love sushi is because of how healthy it is?

that... and that it tastes amazing!

[itchmesir]

Uhhh....no, I don't "have a stigma" against the Japanese over it! Ha Ha Ha.

But the record shows they DO have a habit of violating fishery treaties. But then so do the Russians, the Poles, the Chinese..Ha Ha Ha.

You probably don't want to get into a lengthy discussion of international fishery treaties here.

no lengthy discussion.. because in a nutshell.. there are international fishery treaties.. and every nation violates them.. its like the Kyoto of fishing..

it'll become more interesting as the waters around Antarctica open up more due to global warming

[jwmiller33]

I had it one time in a high end restaraunt and wasn't impressed at all. Actually, considering the price, I was kind of disappointed. I could have found about 2 dozen other things on the menu for that price that would have tasted much better. To each his own tho!

[Steve Foss]

Steve: Do all the boys a favor and look up the definitions of the three terms.....sushi, sashimi and cerviche. You'll probably find some different spellings but you will quickly learn that people are mixing up the terms/names for three different dishes.

There is a MAJOR difference between sushi and sashimi!!!

Yours for better understanding and peace around the campfire.

So since Ufatz wanted me to "do the boys a favor" instead of doing that favor himself . . .

1. Sushi is a Japanese dish consisting of cooked vinegared rice, commonly topped with other ingredients such as fish or other seafood or put into rolls. The traditional form of sushi is fermented fish and rice, preserved with salt.

2. Sashimi primarily consists of very fresh raw seafood, sliced into thin pieces, and served only with a dipping sauce (soy sauce with wasabi paste or such condiments as grated fresh ginger, or ponzu), and such garnishes as shiso and shredded daikon radish.

3. Ceviche (also spelled cebiche or seviche) is a seafood dish popular in the coastal regions of the Americas, especially Central and South America. The dish is typically made from fresh raw fish marinated in citrus juices such as lemon or lime and spiced with chilli peppers. Additional seasonings such as onion, salt, and pepper may also be added.

Now, let us revel in our newfound knowledge that the title of this thread should be sashimi, not sushi.

Frankly, none of these three dishes appeals to me. Two are huge in lip pucker factor, and one is raw fish! Ugh!

Just giving you a little grief, U.

[Nate McVey]

I find it funny when I'm in a Sushi restaurant and see people ordering rolls that are deep fried, diving into a big bowl of Edamame and drinking a Sapporo......I'm sure they get home and post on Facebook how great their sushi dinner was

[Shawn Kellett]

You should be fine so long as you prepare it like cerviche. Cut it thin and use a good amount of lemon or lime juice to kill any parasites. We eat Lake Michigan salmon this way sometimes and it turns out good.

DO NOT go caveman on it and eat it raw. As much as I love sushi (crazy a muskie guy likes to eat fish I know ) it's just not worth the possibility of parasites in my book.

[jwmiller33]

Steve: Do all the boys a favor and look up the definitions of the three terms.....sushi, sashimi and cerviche. You'll probably find some different spellings but you will quickly learn that people are mixing up the terms/names for three different dishes.

There is a MAJOR difference between sushi and sashimi!!!

Yours for better understanding and peace around the campfire.

Potato, potAto... I sure hope you never call a tissue a kleenex.

[Nate McVey]

Quote:

Potato, potAto... I sure hope you never call a tissue a kleenex.

Actually, not even close.........

[Ufatz]

If you give a man a word.....

Now, everyone should thank Steve for his efforts. In da footur let us all strive to use the proper name for the proper dish.

Have I told you guys about one of my favorites.....roe on kelp? Or buried duck? Or dry fish and seal oil?

Gimme a nice big rib eye cooked fast over glowing coals; a big baked potato and a huge tossed green salad. Ahhhh.......the nectar of the gods!!

[Ufatz]

One final comment about fishery treaties. It IS true that enforcement is lax or non-existent in many parts of the world. And it is true that many nations give short shrift to the treaties of other countries. But I do not believe the US or US coastal states have a record of violating the restrictions of other nations if those nations have reasonable near shore regulations.

In short: the US does not run around the worlds oceans pillaging and plundering the resources of others. There ARE some nations who do so openly and routinely.

Now, if you want to talk oil and timber and minerals and.......

[mainbutter]

Are you nutz!!?? Freeze fish and then use if for sashimi? Hahahahahaha. The object is nice FRESH fish!

Summa you guys don't know nuttin'!!!

Much of yellowfin tuna in the US is frozen before being sold or served to consumers. 'Sushi grade' has a specific legal meaning in the US, and pretty much only means it's been frozen to a particular temperature for a specific amount of time. The colder, the less time you've gotta keep it frozen, and there are a couple different (temp X, time Y) amounts that inspectors check for.

I've seen way too many parasites in stream trout to feel comfortable eating 'em without freezing or cooking.

[jwmiller33]

Actually, not even close.........

ohhhh nate....

[IamZombie]

I find it funny when I'm in a Sushi restaurant and see people ordering rolls that are deep fried, diving into a big bowl of Edamame and drinking a Sapporo......I'm sure they get home and post on Facebook how great their sushi dinner was

Guilty...

I do really like those Anger/Angry rolls at Kobe's in Plymouth though

[jwmiller33]

I find it funny when I'm in a Sushi restaurant and see people ordering rolls that are deep fried, diving into a big bowl of Edamame and drinking a Sapporo......I'm sure they get home and post on Facebook how great their sushi dinner was

Is there anything wrong with that?