Special thanks

[walleyehunter80]

I want to thank everyone that made it into this Deer seasons Cuffs & Collars edition of the Outdoor News.

I find it so interesting to read about your unethical baiting, tresspassing, shooting from roads and cars, hunter harassment, untagged deer, unregistered deer, shooting deer WITHOUT a license, shooting doe's WITHOUT a doe tag, shooting your sons youth doe FOR him, discharging a firearm to close to a residence and last but not least not following the point restriction in the 300 zone.

Heres to you Real Men of Genius, Budweiser salutes you UNETHICAL DEER HUNTER

I for one give you a standing ovation!

[walleyehunter80]

And some of you did this with your children by your side, passing on the tradition. Keeping the state and county funded with fines and restitution!

Congrats I look forward to buying your gun at the auction!!!!!

[gr8icefishinmind]

This is how sportsman and hunters get a bad rap!!! I've heard people say, "why should we change our ways to please others," because the rest of us want to keep the freedoms we already have with hunting!! Be ethical and follow the rules!! I think ANYONE found breaking the hunting laws should have their hunting PRIVILEDGES revoked for their lifetime!!

[nofishfisherman]

I ran into this today while I was out. I was hunting some public land that is really only accessible from 2 private properties. I have an in with one of the land owners and he lets me cross his land to access the public land. Well the other land owner basically treats the 500 or so acres of public/dnr land like its his own little play ground. I counted 6-7 violations just this morning along.

1. Building permanent stands on public land, I counted 8 just during my little walk after the morning hunt.

2. Permanent stands were well over the 16 foot limit (guessing 20-25 feet)

3. Cut wide shooting lanes, cutting down trees well over the 4" limit.

4. Cut miles and miles of ATV trails all over the place to access all of his stands.

5. Baiting deer (although it doesn't appear he is hunting near the bait from the looks of it)

6. And borderline harassment. If he see's you on "His" public land you'll get an ear full since he assumes you must have been trespassing to get there.

Hoping that this guy gets a visit from the local CO real soon. I know a call will be placed

[mnguy152]

I agree with everyone here on the subject. The best thing is who these people are. I remeber reading a post the other day it was the county judge or something like it. All for a deer and I bet the doe they shot was a fawn. Wow makes you wonder huh.

[AuggieDawg11]

Best thing to do with anything that falls into these categories is take down very precise description of the offense and call the TIP line. Being proactive in a situation like this will in worse case at least document the illegal activity and back up and further offenses.

[psepuncher]

and don't forget all those people shooting deer and loosing them,

next day they're out there tracking them with dogs

[mrklean]

very sad deal to see what those few to the the sport

[Monkster]

I also agree. All we can do is pass on our 'legal' traditions to our son's and daughter's. Every time my son's and I run into an unethical hunter, news story or see something in the woods, I make it a point to explain the entire situation to them. Unfortunately, these stories and situations seem to be happening a lot more frequently. I can't help but think that the people breaking these laws really don't think they are doing "that much" wrong. If they do, they need to live with themselves and take it up with their creator (or the CO!) My father used to do some of that stuff, mostly because he was raised in farm country and it was 'accepted'. Being accepted does not mean it's RIGHT or lawful. So, as long as most of us are doing the right thing, those "other" people will get theirs eventually!

[mabr]

I just got done thumbing through the cuffs and collars. It amazed me how many baiting tickets were issued. One guy was caught in 07 for the same thing.

On a side note, I commend the one where they called the CO to report they had taken a doe and no one had a doe tag. I think it said it was shot accidentally.

[sticknstring]

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And some of you did this with your children by your side, passing on the tradition.

This is worst part of it all. It'll never end. Pretty sad.

[walleyehunter80]

and don't forget all those people shooting deer and loosing them,

next day they're out there tracking them with dogs

Thats intelligent!

[LightningBG]

and don't forget all those people shooting deer and loosing them,

next day they're out there tracking them with dogs

I wish it was legal to track with dogs on a leash, avoid wasted animals.

[mrklean]

thats a hot topic right there i agree i would like to see it legal with dogs on leash

[Musky Buck]

I've been at this one for years, yes legal, but on leash and it would be a last resort kind of deal as you don't want your dog using your hunting grounds as a bathroom,but I'd rather see that deer found and tagged rather than just blasting a 2nd or 3rd. My uncle lost a huge buck last weekend, we didn't have the snow others got, he looked for 6 hours or until it was getting to dark and again the next day, he lost that deer and told me my dog could've tracked it down to at least see if it were dead or what happened to it, did it keep going, etc. there were so many deer trails in there he had no real guess which way it went once he lost sight of blood so there's a 12 pointer about 220 likely laying deceased and who knows maybe 50 yards from where he stopped looking, this deer went into some extremely thick wet boggy cover that he just didn't know for sure at that point he was heading in the right direction etc. Did he walk past it already etc., he said he's done with body shots on deer, neck or nothing from now on, so he sits on 39 bucks killed 1 lost for his career and I don't doubt he's out there still searching in some of the worst jungle I've ever seen. Told him he'd have better luck renting a helicopter. Wonder where he hit this bruiser, being a marksman in the military for years he's a decent shot, but apparently something went awry.

[psepuncher]

Thats intelligent!

Ya think!

I don't have the patients to explain my 40 years experience of hunting including using dogs for hunting and tracking deer.

I'll say this much, you can have it with my blessings if

you use only registered leashed tracking dogs, carry libility on them, obey all trespassing laws, carry no weapons and the dog can not bark on public land

How's that for starters?

I guess in MN legally you can't use a dog for tracking wounded deer.

Way to many people pulling out all the stops, including many that would disregard the laws in place as it is.

Our CO task force is already limited. To achieve the use of deer tracking dogs the laws in place would also have to be modified in a major fashion to accomodate their use.

I'm not saying a dog can't find your wounded animal. By all means I've trained dogs

for scent tracking.

Get it passed through legeslature to do it correctly.

Otherwise your just breaking laws. seems very unethical

to me the way people do it without regard.

Sad actually.

[walleyehunter80]

The only reason we have laws are because too many people wanted to take it to the next level for themselves, better it for their own good no matter who it hurt in the process and because of these few people the rest of us are REGULATED.

The only reason a deer season was ever enforced is because a few people wanted to shoot 100 deer a year instead of what they as one could actually eat.

The only reason we have a bag limit is because of the same reason.

The only reason rifles are not allowed in southern minnesota is because a few people are nuts and dont know whats behind what they are shooting at.

Laws are not here inplace for everyone they are only here for a select few, but as we are starting to see more and more I think it s a bi-product of to many regulations. Not many people like someone telling them what they can and cannot do. Unfortunatly for us there are a select few that do need to be told what they CANT do.

[walleyehunter80]

Wonder where he hit this bruiser, being a marksman in the military for years he's a decent shot, but apparently something went awry.

Its a game of inches on whether or not you find the deer in 20 yards 70 yards or 700 yards or never. A well placed shot is worth a deers weight in gold! On the other hand a poor shot is, well, a gut wrenching sleepless night stressfull event!

[hockeybc69]

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Otherwise your just breaking laws. seems very unethical

psepuncher,

You are confusing legality and ethics.

Yes, dogs to track deer is illegal, but what in the world is unethical about it? Doing everything in your power to recover a deer isnt necessarily unethical. Illegal per the law, absolutely.

Breaking laws doesnt automatically make it unethical. I think the law is ridiculous personally. You are right though, there are boundaries that should be set if it were to be a legal option. Absolutely.

But whats dumb is that some guy can be out running his dogs chasing pheasants during deer season, but that same guy cant take that same dog and run it on that same EXACT property to find a wounded deer. Does that really make any sense to you at all???? Thats ludicrous.

[walleyehunter80]

+1

[deerminator]

To lighten the mood, my favorite was the newlywood couple who were writing their wedding thank you notes in between shooting ducks. No crimes committed but good reading!

[sticknstring]

I got a kick out of that one as well.