On Wacky Jigging and Flick Shaking

[BassProAddict]

I'm sure y'all have heard about this new Japanese craze.Have any of you actually done this?

If this is on a jig head, how can you shake it from a distance? Wouldn't the jighead find it's way to you in a hurry? Is this just reverse dropshotting?

Thoughts?

[Fluker]

I don't get the hype, but maybe I'm missing something.

First, the flick shake thing. The worm with the little bend in the tail. OK, don't get me wrong here, but this has to be a joke our Japan friends are playing on us. I can just imagine that one of the fisherman over there had the same thing happen that many of us have had, they had there senko box out all day in the heat and found that the tail on the senko had bent over for good. "Ahhhh, I bet we can sell these to our American friends like hot cakes!".

As far as the idea of fishing it on the jig head, good idea, but is it so crazy new that the jig heads need to be about $2 a piece? I personally don't think so.

Sorry to sound so negative, but I am getting tired of the tackle companies jumping on something as "the next best thing" and jacking prices up on something that's really not that new.

[HellaBass]

I did it on Hartwell back in November and caught a few nice spots doing it

[river rat316]

When you have to have a mold and hooks custom made for that "new" craze you will see why prices are so high for the new stuff, it will go down as soon as stock molds and hooks are available. For most companies they require a run of 50,000 hooks when your getting something custom bent, at 20-40 cents a pop thats a lotta ching, molds can run you anywhere from $125 for a hand pour to $1000's for a centrifugal casting mold, then you figure in prototyping and testing (the first mold you order doesn't always do everything you want it to, so you then have to remold and maybe even order different hooks). When you figure everything in, $2.00 a jig sounds dam cheap to me. We havent even gotten into plastic worm design. Then after you get all this done and start selling it takes about 6 months to 2 years before everyone and there brother has ripped you off and is selling em on hsolist for less than what the hooks and lead cost. Most companies lose there [PoorWordUsage] when they design and sell a bait like this, you just have to make the most $$$ you can before the rip offs come.

Ohhh and we wont get into what a patent costs and how much they are to defend, let alone the fact that if a knock off changes 10% of the design you have no recourse against them. So yeah $2.00 a jig sounds fair to me

[Craig Plummer]

What are we talking about? Does anyone have pictures?

[tanman]

ya i have no clue whats going on but a new craze! im interested!

pictures or something please

[Fluker]

Rat - Point taken on the cost in your example. The Zappu Inchi Wacky Head I think is a good example. Probably not your normal mold and hook, so your example on high start up cost is right on. By the way, the jig head looks very interesting, but personally I think I can find (have found) something cheaper that would do just as good a job.

But now lets look at the Jackal Wacky Jig Head. Promoted for the same purpose. Same cost as the above, roughly $2 a jig head. Seems like a normal ball head jig to me. Maybe one could make argument that it's not a normal hook, but really can't forsee it as custom made. So no custom mold, no custom hook, same price tag?

Maybe I was little harsh on the tackle companies. I mean they are just trying to make a dime and survive. Understandable. I think where our sport has gone (more $, higher profile) is reason for a lot of this. Costs more to play for everyone, even if you're not one of those winning the big money. I think marketing and advertising play a big role in the cost as well.

Now this might go against the grain to some, especially those who are sponsored by tackle companies. Sorry, I mean no offense, just stating how I feel here.

By the way, those that ask what this is, it's basically wacky rigging with a jig head vs. a unweighted hook. The part that caught me and I guessed turned me negative is how specialized they make this seem. Special jig heads, and special worms with a bend in the tail that you'll pay premium "new craze" money for. But wouldn't a normal (or similar) jighead with a normal senko / worm work just as well?

They always say more of the new tackle is made to catch fisherman than fish. Market is flooded, so I don't guess I blame the companies. But take the swimming Senko for example. Kinda like Larry the Cable Guy says, it's liking wipin before you [PoorWordUsage], it just don't make sense. The Senko, a bait adored for its subtle action, and now you put action on it?? I dunno, maybe it's just me.

With that being said I plan on giving the deep wacky rigging a try. But I'll do it with a pretty awesome looking jig head that costs me .45 cents and will use normal worms / senkos to do it. If I need the bend in the tail, I've got plenty that have been in the plano too long that have that.

For those looking for more information, you can search tackle manufactuers (TackleWarehouse, etc.) or google Flick Shake to find more info.

Thanks

Chuck

[BassProAddict]

Videos available on YOuTube as well as http://www.jackall-lures.com

[RK]

Hiya -

If you want a very good wacky head jig you can find anywhere in the state of Minnesota at a very reasonable price...Northland Fireball jigs. Look at the jigs that are being marketed for this, then look at a Fireball. Short shank, wide gap... I used Fireballs last summer pitching a wacky worm under docks and around rocks and they were great. Very high hooking percentage. I haven't tried them, but I bet the standup fireballs would be great for this on hard bottoms.

Cheers,

Rob Kimm

[river rat316]

Jeez rob your like a Northland commercial .

Fluker, the wacky jig is probably a bad example of my post, it is a very simple design and really isn't that hard to replicate with just about any light weight ball head jig, I am gonna pour mine either around the Mustad wide Gap pannie hook or a Gammie 1 ewg regular wire worm hook, I've always used lite football heads (like 1/8 oz) for this in the past but I butchered that mold trying to do something else . If you fish current you have been doing this since wacky rigging has become popular, in heavier current its the only way to keep worms down. I have used a trick worm knockoff for this in the past when the bite gets finicky with good results otherwise its a stick bait, either with heavy salt or no salt.

[river rat316]

ohh forgot to add those hooks are custom bent, there is no thin wire 60 degree jig hook that small that I can find!

[Wayne Ek]

RK: Bro, what did you do. There are probably a half-dozen tournament anglers that read FM running around pulling there hair out LMAO. I'm with RK on this. For the past 3 or 4 years using the Fireball Jig for wacky rigging senko style baits on deep weed-lines has been a pretty standard presentation and surprisingly been below the radar. Boy RK, I bet you're going to get some interesting e-mails. I will just have to keep telling myself "sharing is a good thing, sharing is a good thing".

[RK]

Hiya -

Hahahaha. See, that's why I don't fish tournaments. Makes people all uptight.

Kind of figured I couldn't have been the only one that had figured the Fireball thing out though. At least I can say I came up with it on my own so I'm not spilling anyone else's secrets

Cheers,

Rob Kimm

[HellaBass]

Here is a pic of the wacky jig

This one is the Zappu Inchi Wacky Jig

[BassProAddict]

Oddly though, the Jackall flick shake worms have 6.8" as their biggest.Wouldn't you want to put a bigger one for more attraction?

[Bushwacker]

 Originally Posted By: BassProAddict

Oddly though, the Jackall flick shake worms have 6.8" as their biggest.Wouldn't you want to put a bigger one for more attraction?

I think the way that the Japanese mainly use the Inchi Wacky as a finesse presentation, so that is why Jackall only goes up to the 6.8" length. There are a lot of soft plastics that you could use for it though if you want to go bigger.