New ATV

[Bjjams]

firemedic5586 you ever been harrassed for having a snorkel? The regulations say they're illegal here but there are exceptions and it's really not clear if it's illegal or not. I thought about doing this before until a friend told me and I looked at the regs. I don't really mud that much but I've come close to sucking in water before so I was thinking more as a safety thing. Has a CO ever said anything to you about it?

[Roofer]

Don't mean to butt in, but the new 07-08 rules allow snorkels 6" higher than the OE intake.(I believe that is true, may be 4". Have to look it up)

[Bjjams]

This is the information I found in the regs. I think you're right about the six inches but if you do find yourself in a pickle a snorkel could cause alot more issues.

• Most operation, registration, and trespass violations can also be enforced

by issuing a civil citation and can include restitution. Fines for second or

subsequent violations in wetlands, including the use of snorkel devices or for

careless or reckless operation, can be more than double.

There can be civil and criminal penalties for violation of

the trespass laws. Civil penalties for OHVs start at $100 for first

offense and range up to $500 and loss of license or registration

for a third offense within three years. Penalties will be doubled for

operation in wetlands or with snorkel devices.

• ATVs may not be operated with a snorkel device that has a raised air intake

six inches or more above the manufacturer’s original air intake. Exception: ATVs with snorkel devices may be operated within the Iron Range OHV State

Recreation Area and other designated public OHV recreation areas.

[SomethingFishy*]

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Fishy,

A ride sounds fun. How about a day on the pond? Lots of wheelers to pull out of the slush

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Dan

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Sounds good. A buddy and I (w/tracked 700) may putz around on Pelican Lake near Monticello on Saturday, if that doesn't happen it may be a good excuse to find my way to Mille Lacs

[firemedic5586]

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firemedic5586 you ever been harrassed for having a snorkel? The regulations say they're illegal here but there are exceptions and it's really not clear if it's illegal or not. I thought about doing this before until a friend told me and I looked at the regs. I don't really mud that much but I've come close to sucking in water before so I was thinking more as a safety thing. Has a CO ever said anything to you about it?

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That is an old pic, prior to the snorkle law. Once the law went into place I pulled the snorlkes and put the stock stuff back in. With my lift kit and big tires it does get my intake fairly high.

ATVs may not be operated with a snorkel device that has a raised air intake

six inches or more above the manufacturer’s original air intake. Exception: ATVs with snorkel devices may be operated within the Iron Range OHV State

Recreation Area and other designated public OHV recreation areas.

The way I this reads to me is you cant raise the intake, more then 6 inches, doesn't say you cant raise the bike at all.

[firemedic5586]

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I don't see a problem with track on the trail. I think the main problem is that they are too wide. This will change with alot of the trails being changed for class 2 atv's.

Just to clarify for any potention Thundercat owners....The law says nothing about being under 800 ccs anymore.

The Canams were actually not legal last year on the trails. thank Arctic Cat for getting the rules changed.

The rule for weight used to be GVWR. This was until Polaris figured out they were over 800 (actually over 900 lbs. GVWR). With tracks, I'm sure they are over 900 actual driving weight(not GVWR).

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Pulled this from the State Reg Web sight . Your still limited to under 800cc for both class I and class II ATV's

84.92 DEFINITIONS.

Subd. 8. All-terrain vehicle or vehicle. "All-terrain vehicle" or "vehicle" means a motorized

flotation-tired vehicle of not less than three low pressure tires, but not more than six tires, that is

limited in engine displacement of less than 800 cubic centimeters and includes a class 1 all-terrain

vehicle and class 2 all-terrain vehicle.

Subd. 9. Class 1 all-terrain vehicle. "Class 1 all-terrain vehicle" means an all-terrain vehicle

that has a total dry weight of less than 900 pounds.

Subd. 10. Class 2 all-terrain vehicle. "Class 2 all-terrain vehicle" means an all-terrain

vehicle that has a total dry weight of 900 to 1,500 pounds

As for width, with my 1 1/2" spacers and my 28x12x12 Outlaws on all 4 corners I'm 52" wide. I real havent had problems with the width. If anything it helps get me out of the ruts.

[firemedic5586]

As for wheelers on the sled trails. I know a guy who has a 2 wheel drive speed demond wheeler he put skis on the front and the sand dune paddle tires on the rear and has it registered as a sled. Says it will roost the heck out of a trail if he isn't careful. What I sort of find funny is you can't ride a sled with metal traction devices down a paved trail. However he could put chains on his machine and take down the same trail without a problem....

Here are the state laws regarding Sleds

Your not limited in any way to leanght or width. You could put skis on a Grayhound buss and call it a sled.

[Roofer]

You are correct with the definitions. It does say under 800cc's. I may have missed that or it was changed again...????

It looks like the Canam 800's and Thundercat's are SOL. Although I have yet to see this enforced.

[Scott K]

I have seen it enforced in Wisconsin. I have also seen the width law enforced, and the decible law enforced in Wisconsin. I dont ride much in MN.

[firemedic5586]

I think it comes down to the dealer and what they can get it registered under for you/what the state lets them do. As it can't leave the show room floor not registered. From personal experience I have seen that it is impossible for the CO's to know the exact specifics’ of every law they are expected to enforce. That’s why its important to know yourself the laws and regs regarding what your doing. If you can steer the CO were to look that’s even better. Officer Friendly/Not so friendly, if you look under 84.92 DEFINITIONS.

Subd. 8 it says I can do that. They have truck full of books to look stuff up in.

[firemedic5586]

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I have seen it enforced in Wisconsin. I have also seen the width law enforced, and the decible law enforced in Wisconsin. I dont ride much in MN.

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I have heard of them doing both....

In WI I last time I was over there riding I had someone tell me (he was sitting on a Polars 800)I was to wide to ride the trails in WI. You should have seen the look on the guys face when I told him that I dont care about that law, because if I'm getting pinched so are you. {WI says you cant be over 48"} All the Polaris machines from the 450 to the 800 are 50.5" wide, and thats stock from the factory. No longer legal in WI.

After a quick look,

Yamaha 700 are out @ over 48

Suzuki are good @ 46.6

Cat is ok ar 47.5

Honda is good @ 46.8

CA-Am is good @ 46#

So my question is what are you riding what are you riding Wandering?

[Scott K]

I have a 660 grizz, and a 660 raptor, both under the limit.

One more thing that I heard someone getting hit with on the Wisconsin trails was having 15psi of air in their tires, the law states low pressure, which I think the max is like 5psi. There was a group of minnesotan's at the bar, off a popular trail, a group of 15, 10 of them got ticket's! Ouch, a spendy trip .

[firemedic5586]

your grizz must be an older one. the 07/08 are both over 48".

Max PSI is 6# WI ATV REGS

[Kodiak]

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I have a 660 grizz, and a 660 raptor, both under the limit.

One more thing that I heard someone getting hit with on the Wisconsin trails was having 15psi of air in their tires, the law states low pressure, which I think the max is like 5psi. There was a group of minnesotan's at the bar, off a popular trail, a group of 15, 10 of them got ticket's! Ouch, a spendy trip .

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that is a joke you shouldn't run the bighorns with less than 7psi in the first place.

who cares if you have a snorkel.

man big brother really sucks!!!

[Roofer]

Polaris has their sportsman's listed at 48" wide. Yamaha has the Griz listed at 46.5" wide. Thundercat at 47.5" wide.

Looks like they all are at or under 48" wide stock.

My Kawi is 48" wide with the aftermarket wheels and tires.

[SomethingFishy*]

WI law also states that atv rims can be no more than 12" so anybody running 14" wheels is in violation.

[firemedic5586]

I see polaris says wheelbase of 50.5, width of 48. So it looks like its my bad for confusing the two. Likewise your Yamaha

[MuleShack]

SomethingFishy or any one else that has tracks...?

If there was only a few inches of snow on the lake and you were pulling a wheel house...do you feel the tracks will give you the traction needed to pull the house or will they slip with limited snow on ice?

Thanks

[SomethingFishy*]

 Originally Posted By: MuleShack

SomethingFishy or any one else that has tracks...?

If there was only a few inches of snow on the lake and you were pulling a wheel house...do you feel the tracks will give you the traction needed to pull the house or will they slip with limited snow on ice?

Thanks

I have not tried to pull anything with my tracks yet, however I have had it on bare ice and was able to get traction, I think it depends on what tracks you have as well, my buddy has an older set of tracks and he "spins" or does better "donuts" than I can with my tracks mine seem to have a lot more bite.

[kdawg]

Hey guys,

I've been wondering about picking up tracks for my Polaris. How easy are they to install/uninstall. Also, it sounds like there are a number of models to choose from. What is the difference between different models of tracks, is there a big difference between the performance of different tracks, and how much do these things run?? Thanks guys.