comments please!

[JohnMickish]

It's really funny to read here that when someone other than the 8 car runs well they are automatically cheating. For the record, the 8,20,17,6, and 24 have all been caught. I say if the 48 or 17 are cheating they are in an area that NASCAR isn't looking at, and I really doubt that they throw the yellow for debris for any driver, unless it's the bud car!

Seriously though, if they throw a yellow for debris at wierd times I think it's more for the TV ratings than for a particular driver.

[TNFL]

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his crew had a tire roll through the pit stalls next to them. The nascar official actually grabbed the tire and rolled it back to them.

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I think that is more of a standard safety issue. What if that tire had rolled in front of the 17 doing 55mph down pit lane. then you would have something else to complain about.

[JohnMickish]

If you watch the pit stops you will see that many times the officials help people catch run away tires. It dosen't happen to just the teams you don't like.

[fishonnopeoff]

I have to agree. I have seen it as well.

[eyepatrol]

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and no...you would be the one complaining!

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If I were to be complaining, it would be along the lines of me saying that my favorite driver's team sucks, or that his cars suck. I'm not one to say a particular driver who's winning is automatically cheating. Just because someone wins a race or two, or finishes well on a consistent basis doesn't automatically mean they're cheating. Just means they're on their game. They've got it dialed in. When Stewart went on a tear two years ago I never accused him or his team of cheating. When Kahne won his races last year, I never accused him or his team of cheating. I'm not a big fan of either of these two drivers, but just because they were winning, I'm not going to cry fowl, haul off and say they were cheating the whole time. Don't assume to know what I would say, unless you've known me for years.

[eyepatrol]

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If you watch the pit stops you will see that many times the officials help people catch run away tires. It dosen't happen to just the teams you don't like.

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You're exactly right on this. I've seen officials do this for any racer, not just a particular one.

[Sifty]

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If you watch the pit stops you will see that many times the officials help people catch run away tires. It dosen't happen to just the teams you don't like.

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You're exactly right on this. I've seen officials do this for any racer, not just a particular one.

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You will see it a number of times at each race.

Sifty

[Meaney]

I do then apologize about that, I guess I have never seen an official doing that before. I will start looking though!

By the way guys, I dont want there to be any harsh feelings from this post, I do actually love reading all this. I guess sometimes I do act a little biased...

Thanks for all the comments

[harvey lee]

Meany

I think we are all at times a little bias towards our drivers.

[Sifty]

Well said, as stated before that's what makes it fun.

As long as it stay's fun and there is no bashing we can contuine to have post like this.

Sifty

[Eric Wettschreck]

HL, what do you mean bias towards our drivers?

Everyone else just needs to realize that Dale Sr was the greatest driver ever and there will be no more bickering.

[harvey lee]

I agree with that 100%. But believe it or not, there are others who may not agree.

[Eric Wettschreck]

Looks like THEY need to get with the program.

It's a darn good thing I'm right.

[Uncle Bill]

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So would you guys be saying any of this if a Rousch car was having the success the 48 is having? What if it were Kenseth....would you say the same things or wonder the same questions?

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Bass,

Nobody's performance should be considered

beyond question. Nothing wrong with thinking

there should be a little closer examination.

[Meaney]

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HL, what do you mean bias towards our drivers?

Everyone else just needs to realize that Dale Sr was the greatest driver ever and there will be no more bickering.

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You are correct sir! Dale Sr. was the best out there

[fishonnopeoff]

Well, then we can all agree to agree..

[JohnMickish]

How come Dale Sr. should be considered better than Richard Petty? I don't consider either the "best" but the best of their respective era.

[Meaney]

TOUCHE..

[LMITOUT]

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How come Dale Sr. should be considered better than Richard Petty? I don't consider either the "best" but the best of their respective era.

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Not to start this discussion over for the billionth time, but if I recall from previous posts the logic presented at that time was that Gordon's championships meant more due to the claim that the competition is tougher now than it was in the past. With that said, applying the same logic one can conclude that since Sr's seven championships came after Petty's seven championships, Sr's are qualified as more significant, and thus Sr. is better than Petty.

Theorem proven.

The math never lies!

[JohnMickish]

I will say that your logic has some bearing to it. One of the problems I have with calling Sr. the best is that it took him so long to win a road coarse and he only won it because of someone elses mistake (he did have himself in position to capitalize however) and only one Daytona 500 win.

Anyways, it's all subjective so I will let you guys believe what you want to.

Enjoy the the era starting this weekend. Like it or not it's here to stay.

[LMITOUT]

If you weighted the importance or significance of a road course compared to the rest of the schedule, it would be insignificant due to the lack of those type of races per season and what effect it has on the overall scope of a championship. I feel that it was more important to be consistant at the cookie-cutter tracks and some of the small tracks since those make up the bulk of the schedule to win a championship. In today's era with how close the competition is, you need those super speedway and road course wins to get you ahead of the rest of the competition who are even with you. That's even more critical today than years past.

I think it's impossible to say who's "best" when they never competed against each other in every race. It's fun to debate though as I don't believe you can be wrong as long as you make a strong case for your particular driver. Wins, championships, etc, etc. Hard to compare apples to apples.

[Macgyver55]

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he only won it because of someone elses mistake (he did have himself in position to capitalize however) and only one Daytona 500 win.

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This might seem to be a silly question, but isn't putting yourself in position to capitalize on someone elses mistake ultimately what determines the outcome of any given race?

[JohnMickish]

Yes you are right and I gave him credit for putting himself into that spot.

Lmit, I only brought that up because IMO if you are the best that would mean you are the best at everything, road races included. It's a dead horse anyhow so we might as well stop here.

[npsmokefan]

This is what I think happened at Atlanta. Kobalt Tools was the main sponsored for the race. It just so happen's they were sponsoring the #48 too. Before the caution came out late in the race, #17dewalt and #20homedepot were ahead of #48. Dewalt is a direct competitor to Kobalt tools, and Home Depot is a direct competitor to Lowe's, which you can only buy kobalts tools at Lowe's. What better way to get some great advertising for Kobalt Tools is to beat their #1 competitors in a race that they sponsored. How would that look for them to have a homedepot car or dewalt car in victory lane with their sponsorship in the backround. Just my 2 cents. Still love racing, just sick of the late cautions to have an exciting finish.

GO SMOKE in Bristol

[RobertELee]

Kobalt mainly makes hand tools, toolboxes, and air compresors- geared toward the mechanic... Dewalt makes power tools and tools geared towards the woodworker. Yes you do have a point Lowes and Home Depot are competitors of each other, but Kobalt and Dewalt have nothing to do with each other, heck I have even bought a couple Dewalts at Lowes. Another point you have to remember is that it is not the president of the company sponsoring the race that makes the call if there is a late race caution it is NASCAR.