If there were truth in college football poll

[Wade Joseph]

This is the way it SHOULD read. Add to it a BCS bowl game +1 for the top 4 teams and we would get a true Nat'l champion PLUS a few deserving teams would get the bowl berths they deserve.

1 Ohio State 12-0

2 Boise State 12-0

3 Florida 12-1

4 Michigan 11-15

5 Wisconsin 11-1

6 Louisville 11-1

7 Oklahoma 11-2

8 Wake Forest 11-2

9 LSU 10-2

10 USC 10-2

11 Notre Dame 10-2

12 Auburn 10-2

13 Rutgers 10-2

14 Virginia Tech 10-2

15 West Virginia 10-2

16 Arkansas 10-3

17 Tennessee 9-3

18 California 9-3

19 Texas 9-3

20 Nebraska 9-4

[james_walleye]

Well now thats not really how it would go either because your using your own judgement on putting Ohio St #1 and Boise St. #2 and not tied for #1. And so on down the list. I agree with the +1 concept, no doubt.

Going with the current system though im getting sick of hearing from the east coast media how Michigan should not be playing in the big game. Did you hear the announcer for the Florida/Arkansas game last night? Was he a rep for the SEC conference or what?? On one hand these people almost completely agree that MI is the 2nd best team in the country but shouldnt get too play in the big game because they already had their chance and its unfair too OSU??? So if we had a playoff system MI should be left out then because they already had their chance? And its pretty clear that Indianapolis is the best team in the AFC so maybe New England should not be allowed in the playoffs because they already had their chance too beat Indy and it wouldnt be fair too Indy too play them again because they've supposedly already proved they are bettter? Isnt that the same concept. Its stupid. Michigan should not be punished for losing too OSU already. I guess maybe they would have been better off not playing OSU this season and losing too a "just better than average team" like Penn St. like Florida did too Auburn. They are the 2 best teams in the country. Lets see them on a neutral field this time. Now if Florida comes out ahead BCSwise then thats how it goes. But if Michigan is the team its going too be miserable listening too the media for the next month. If this were Florida and LSU in this position and not Michigan/OSU there would be no talk of the loser not deserving too be in the big game. The media would be all over the rematch.

[buzzsaw]

Boy would that be entertaining... Ohio State vs Boise State..... we'll atleast for 3 minutes.... 61-3 OSU... it was a great game.

[Wade Joseph]

Not saying Boise State is a power house but they are undefeated and deserve the right to prove themselves. Hence the +1 format would allow them the chance as well as allow Mich/Fla to prove who is better against each other. Then the winners play for all the cherries.

[outdoor ran]

Did Boise state play anyone ranked this year? I just hate this BCS dump. Wish it were a playoff system. At least for the top 4 teams or 6 teams. I would like to see Mich. get another shot at Ohio st on neutral field. Either way Florida or Mich. will be mad after the selection. Curious to see who the Badgers draw for a bowl game.

[james_walleye]

For the last 7 weeks Michigan has been ranked ahead of Florida and now all of a sudden today the pollsters move Florida ahead of Michigan, i dont get it. Just caught an interview on ESPN2 with a guy who voted Florida ahead of Michigan and was he was explaining why. One of his biggest points was the Floridas loss was too LSU and that LSU finished in the top 5 in the BCS so their loss was too a great team too. Then he was reminded that Florida lost too Auburn not LSU. Real credibility going on.

[caseymcq]

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For the last 7 weeks Michigan has been ranked ahead of Florida and now all of a sudden today the pollsters move Florida ahead of Michigan, i dont get it...

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For the last seven weeks they weren't smoking copious amounts of marijuana. Today, they emptied out the garbage bag in Nate Newton's trunk and ran it all through a bong they haven't changed the water in since Goldwater was running for president!

Mich. got screwed!

[PierBridge]

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Mich. got screwed!

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Yeah they screwed themselves when they LOST to Ohio State....

Should be a good game and in spite of the criticism the BCS got it right again.

Go Big Ten....

RATINGS

[james_walleye]

Unfortunatly you are right, they did hose themselves. College football is the only sport in which this is an issue. Is it not possible for 2 teams in any other sport that played each other during the regular season too meet for a championship??? I guess if Dallas makes the superbowl than the colts should not be allowed too play in it. And if North Carolina makes the final 4 than Ohio State shouldnt be allowed too make it because they beat them the other night and it wouldn't be fair for North Carolina too play them again because they have proved they are better already????!!

Like I said, for 7 weeks straight the pollsters thought Michigan was better than Florida and then USC got beat and they didnt want too see a rematch so they changed their mind and put Florida up above. Then we have too listen too the east coast voters come up with every excuse as too why they pulled the switcheroo instead of just saying "hey we dont want too see 2 big ten teams in the big game". I'm sorry but that is a sham. Ya'll (the pollsters) thought for 7 weeks Michigan was better, dont pull a fast one! I guess Lloyd Carr should have lobbied as much as Floridas lead man did the last 2 weeks.

[lawdog]

James, you miss (or ignore) a couple obvious points, First, its not possible for say the Patriots and the Colts to meet in the superbowl is it? You could easily argue the two, even three best teams in the NFL are in the AFC so how is that different? Its not just that they played, they are in the same conference and really how can you claim you are the best in the nation if you can't even win your conference?

Also, why did Florida move up? They beat another top ten team, that's a quality win and its worth points in the system. That's legit and no one bothers to remember it happened.

Lastly, I think personally this was the right choice. That Michigan-OSU game was no where near as close as the score ended up. They got thumped by OSU and they would again. This may be a big margin too, but at least its not a repeat of a not very good game...

[james_walleye]

I never said anything about the patriots, i was talking cowboys and colts so it is a valid point. Here i'll throw out another one. If North Carolina wins the ACC in basketball its not going too prevent Duke from competing for a national title. Heres another one, the Twins won the division this year but the Tigers went too the world series. Is it not possible for the 2 best teams in college football too be from the same conference? And if thats a yes, shouldnt they be the 2 teams too play for a national title? The 2 best teams in the nation? There have been voters publically say they thought MI was the 2nd best team in the country but thought MI had their chance. So in essence they voted.....for who they thought was the 3rd best team in the country too play in the title game?? I'm totally lost on that frame of mind and i think its a slap in Michigans face. As far as the first game i had a few to drink but i thought a MI player got called for a 15 yarder midway through the 4th quarter that was the difference between OSU going up by 10 points and MI having a shot too go take the lead and possibly win the game. I thought it was a good game with the outcome in doubt until that onside kick with seconds too go. I'd love too see a game like that on January 8th.

The bottom line here is that college football needs too get it right and not let voters decide the fate of what goes on. Its the only sport in which a mess like this could even happen. Every year its the same thing, minus last year which was the exception. I mean, why dont the voters just decide right now that OSU is the national champion. Its a unanimous belief that they are the best team in the nation so just give it too them. Why is it fair for a team that lost too Auburn too play for a national title, why isnt that unfair too OSU? Maybe MI and FL should just play for 2nd place, that way its not unfair too anyone. That seems too be whats in doubt so put that on the field. That would be the most fair too everyone being thats what everyone is worried about and an end too the season like that would fit right in with how stupid college football is set up.

[lawdog]

Again, in your own example the Twins couldn't play the Tigers in the world series could they? And the Colt/Cowboy example isn't exactly right because of the conference system of playoffs. And yes, theoretically its possible the two best teams are from the same conference, but not very realistic and not in Baseball, Basketball or Football at the pro level could they ever play for the championship if they were. In this case its especially hard to argue that when the rest of the conference aside from three teams was so weak you couldn't get much comparison out of them. Really Michigan's strongest argument was beating up on Notre Dame a non conference team (which I would guess many of you would argue isn't even a top notch team).

Do they need a playoff? ABSOLUTELY. Did they get the Michigan/Florida decision wrong, no not in my opinion. I'm looking forward to this game, I wouldn't even bother to watch another Michigan/OSU game.

[james_walleye]

I'm simply trying too say that in every other sport you can finish 2nd in your conference/division and still have a shot at a championship, college football D1 is the exception and i dont understand why? I cant think of another sport anyway where playing for a championship is exclusive too just the conference/division champion. I dont understand the voter who says "I dont believe you should be able too play for a national title when you didnt win your own conference". Have these people ever watched any other sports or what? Is it just an excuse too keep from seeing a rematch? I mean lets be real, ever voter i've seen interviewed on national TV about this has been east coast. Anyone ever stop and think that maybe these people just plain wanted too see something other than 2 teams from the midwest in the national title game? Maybe im thinking too deep.

This is what i find so rediculous. Everything that is being said are reasons why Michigan shouldnt be playing in this game. "It isnt fair for OSU too play MI again". "Michigan didnt win their conference". "Michigan had their shot and we think FL now deserves a shot". Cant forget this one, "Floridas strength of schedule was better". Has a voter actually said "I think Florida would beat MI heads up". Isnt that what voters should be thinking instead of finding reasons why Michigan shouldnt be playing in this game???

[Jarrod32]

No, the Colts and the Patriots can't play for the championship. In the BCS system, at least one of them wouldn't even get the chance. That's the point. Both of those teams will get the chance to go to the championship game...the chance to earn it, rather than having people who have other (conflicts of) interest decide who gets to play.

[lawdog]

Anybody still want to stump for how great Michigan is and how much they deserved to be in the Championship game???

OVER-RATED!!!!

[Big Dave2]

Isn't it funny how this thread just died after Michigan got trounced!

To all of you who say that Michigan got screwed because they were ahead of Florida in the polls for 7 weeks and got jumped in the end, I say maybe Florida got screwed for 7 weeks.

Florida's strength of schedule was much much harder than Michigan's and deserve this game as much as anyone. Until NCAAfootball gets a tournament system this is just the way it goes. I am usually not a big Florida fan but I will be pulling for them all the way this year.

As For next year...........................

Go Bama, Roll Tide, Hail King Saben!!!!!!

[CodyDawg]

If Florida wins, you can make a good case that Boise St is your 2007 National Champion. And if I was Boise St, I would be saying it loud and clear. That is another reason the BCS thing stinks. What more can Boise do other than win ALL of their games. Heck, even if Ohio St wins, Boise has a claim to part of the National Championship in my book.

[lawdog]

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If Florida wins, you can make a good case that Boise St is your 2007 National Champion. And if I was Boise St, I would be saying it loud and clear. That is another reason the BCS thing stinks. What more can Boise do other than win ALL of their games. Heck, even if Ohio St wins, Boise has a claim to part of the National Championship in my book.

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I agree it sucks, but what can Boise State do? Schedule some decent non-conference games instead of creampuffs! Their schedule is a joke compared to Ohio State or Florida's. Pick up Notre Dame or USC or Oklahoma or Texas or Wisconsin or SOMEONE, ANYONE during the regular season. They will never get much love without a playoff unless they step up and play the big name teams.

They need a playoff system yes, but to some extent Boise State did this to themselves too with that schedule...

[Big Dave2]

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If Florida wins, you can make a good case that Boise St is your 2007 National Champion. And if I was Boise St, I would be saying it loud and clear. That is another reason the BCS thing stinks. What more can Boise do other than win ALL of their games. Heck, even if Ohio St wins, Boise has a claim to part of the National Championship in my book.

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I agree it sucks, but what can Boise State do? Schedule some decent non-conference games instead of creampuffs! Their schedule is a joke compared to Ohio State or Florida's. Pick up Notre Dame or USC or Oklahoma or Texas or Wisconsin or SOMEONE, ANYONE during the regular season. They will never get much love without a playoff unless they step up and play the big name teams.

They need a playoff system yes, but to some extent Boise State did this to themselves too with that schedule...

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Thats why I can't understand why the Gophers do that same thing EVERY year. If they ever did accidentally have a good team once they would get screwed in the polls because their schedule is a joke.

[Big Dave2]

Here was Boise states schedule this year. It looks like they won almost all of their game rather convincingly, but not much for competition on this list.

Aug. 31 CS Sacramento W 45-0

Sep. 7 Oregon State W 42-14

Sep. 16 at Wyoming W 17-10

Sep. 23 Hawaii W 41-34

Sep. 30 at Utah W 36-3

Oct. 7 Louisiana Tech W 55-14

Oct. 15 at New Mexico St. W 40-28

Oct. 21 at Idaho W 42-26

Nov. 1 Fresno State W 45-21

Nov. 11 at San Jose St. W 23-20

Nov. 18 Utah State W 49-10

Nov. 25 at Nevada W 38-7

Jan. 1 at Oklahoma W 43-42

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[james_walleye]

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Isn't it funny how this thread just died after Michigan got trounced!

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This thread died a full month before Michigan got beat.

[fishyguy]

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Isn't it funny how this thread just died after Michigan got trounced!

To all of you who say that Michigan got screwed because they were ahead of Florida in the polls for 7 weeks and got jumped in the end, I say maybe Florida got screwed for 7 weeks.

Florida's strength of schedule was much much harder than Michigan's and deserve this game as much as anyone. Until NCAAfootball gets a tournament system this is just the way it goes. I am usually not a big Florida fan but I will be pulling for them all the way this year.

As For next year...........................

Go Bama, Roll Tide, Hail King Saben!!!!!!

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Florida Strenth of Schedule is 8 and Michigan is 12. Hardly a large difference. I don't disagree that Florida deserved a chance to play but you could have made an argument for a few teams. It was a a matter of personal opinion or bias. Bottom line.....Florida backed it up, Michigan, USC, and OSU all fell on their faces when they had thier chance to make a statement.

[fishyguy]

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Thats why I can't understand why the Gophers do that same thing EVERY year. If they ever did accidentally have a good team once they would get screwed in the polls because their schedule is a joke.

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No doubt the Gophers screw up every chance at earning respect but their strength of schedule was 19th. Hardly a joke. The Gophers had 4 games against to 10 opponents. Only Arkansas played as many top 10 teams.

[Wade Joseph]

The Badgers got screwed if anyone did. They beat a dam good arkansas team. Mich got steamrolled and OSU didn't bother to show up. I wasn't happy about the outcome, but I will give Florida credit, THEY CAME TO PLAY.

I'll also echo the sentiment that Boise State should be screaming for their share of the title. They are the ONLY undefeated team, and they beat a pretty good OU team. Then there is the 1 loss teams thats should finish ahead of ANYONE with 2 losses PERIOD.