fishyguy Posted January 5, 2005 Share Posted January 5, 2005 Musky, You must be awfully stubborn. Did you read the post I had that had a copy of the applicable rule on this? I understand you may not believe me, then do your own research. If the Vikes did it the rules were either different at that time or they advanced a fumble from a return. Once it goes ten yards it is a live ball that can't be advanced by the kicking team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mnwild Posted January 5, 2005 Share Posted January 5, 2005 I have a feeling this is going to be a very close game, Being a Packer fan I am scared that nobody is giving the Vikes a chance to win the game. All I know is I will be sitting in Lambeau Sunday watching this game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muskybuck Posted January 5, 2005 Share Posted January 5, 2005 That must mean that the ball was touched by a member of the recieving team. The result was a Viking touchdown on an on-side kick. I do know for sure though that the Viking that made that touchdown did not do it while walking to the locker room. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishyguy Posted January 5, 2005 Share Posted January 5, 2005 Musky,You are missing a distinct difference. Touching by the receiving team does not constitute a fumble. It may only be advanced if the receiving team takes possesion (control in the same way a pass reception is judged)and then fumbles. If the receiving team would catch the ball attempt to run and then fumble, then and only then may the kicking team advance it. Again, the NFL rule book statement is below. 4. A kickoff is illegal unless it travels 10 yards OR is touched by the receiving team. Once the ball is touched by the receiving team or has gone 10 yards, it is a free ball. Receivers may recover and advance. Kicking team may recover but NOT advance UNLESS receiver had possession and lost the ball. Your quote: I do know for sure though that the Viking that made that touchdown did not do it while walking to the locker roomMy reply:Yes, the Vikes have never scored a touchdown while walking towards the locker room, but the Pack has never scored a touchdown while in a hot tub with teen age girls or while taking a dump in somebody's laundry basket. I will say they have scored while hopped up on pain killers, though. There are problem players all over the NFL. We can go back and forth on the holier of the teams. We all got our issues. If you want to stay on the topic we started fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJR Posted January 5, 2005 Share Posted January 5, 2005 So you are saying that Farve is the greatest qb cuz in a couple of years he is going to break some of the other qb's records? Boy you are really digging.Setting a few records does not make you the greatest, setting all of the main records (like Moss did through 6 yrs) makes you the greatest. I looked on the NFL HSOforum under passing records and I do not see Farves name there much. What is he 37 he better get going there are not a lot of 40 yr old qb's out there ripping it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Down to Earth Posted January 5, 2005 Author Share Posted January 5, 2005 Quote:Yes, the Vikes have never scored a touchdown while walking towards the locker room, but the Pack has never scored a touchdown while in a hot tub with teen age girls or while taking a dump in somebody's laundry basket. Aw Com'n the closet [PoorWordUsage]er was clearly a member of the Miami(Fla) Hurricanes when that took place. I'm sure we all did some stupid things while in our college days. Had the Pack known about it on draft day I'm sure they would have passed him over. Much like a certain reciever who they passed over in 1998. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
otto_man Posted January 5, 2005 Share Posted January 5, 2005 didn't say favre was the greatest buts he's real close.moss still sucks... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nolte Posted January 5, 2005 Share Posted January 5, 2005 Numbers don't paint the whole picture. We can go on and on about who has better stats and thus is the greatest whatever of all time. But it really doesn't mean squat when you have a team game. Everyone knows the most fundamental part of football is your front guys on O & D, without a solid group of them you're going to struggle. It is pretty hard to quantify the impact these guys have with stats, besides wins and losses. It sickens me to see all kinds of these talented players, worry more about their image or their stats than the success of the team. To be truly great you need to have pride, heart and be humble. A few qualities that are really lacking in Pro Sports, or at least much less showcased by the media. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJR Posted January 5, 2005 Share Posted January 5, 2005 Nolte I agree and the team is even moreso important to a qbs #'s than a reciever. Who is the [PoorWordUsage]er packer? Grady Jackson I just vagely remember that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pikehunter Posted January 5, 2005 Share Posted January 5, 2005 I actually was very surprised to see the Vegas lines as high as six. Usually the line is MUCH closer to the average of the previous two meetings. To double the average spread of the recent meetings seldom happens. The other thing that can usually push the spread 1/2 point or so either way is quality common opponents. I thought the Pack's Philly debacle versus the Vikings showing in Philly should have bumbed this spread down to 2.5 from three. (Yes, I know the Vikes are bad outdoors, but I don't think the cold is worth three points.) That said, I still think the Pack will likely cover 6, even though I hope it doesn't happen ... then again, the Vikes are great to bet on as an underdog, because they always seem to come up with meaningless late points.It'll be fun to watch regardless! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Down to Earth Posted January 5, 2005 Author Share Posted January 5, 2005 The closet [PoorWordUsage]er was Davenport. Evidently while he was in college he was accused of breaking into a womens dorm room and leaving one in her closet. He denied it and the women couldn't identify him either. I think he ended up settling and agreed to do community service of sort. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishyguy Posted January 5, 2005 Share Posted January 5, 2005 Musky,Maybe they would have passed on him, or not, really doesn't matter for the purpose of the statement. It simply a response to a gratuitous cheap shot that was not part of the particular debate we were having. It can be done now. I have no more energy for this. There are going to be way to many other silly debates for all us Vikes/Pack fans this week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buzzsaw Posted January 5, 2005 Share Posted January 5, 2005 Who was the Packer defensive back that fired a pistol through a car??? Add him to the list of Classy packers... I guess you'd have to put him behind Chmura the rapist and Davenport the defacation machine. The Vikeshave been a classy bunch of wife beaters... Moon and Cris Carter... Millard taking on cops guns with his pipes??? How many DWI's???Tommy Kramer couldn't walk out of any bar on the 494 strip for the last 20 years without being loaded!!! I witnessed that on many occasions.The list goes on and on.....Be proud Packer fans, remember any of these hometown heroes????????The Packer's All-Gory Years Team (forgettable names from 1968-'91) OFFENSEWR: Barry Smith, 1973-'75 -- A first-round draft pick, he averaged 8.8 yards per catch his last season. WR: Ollie Smith, 1976-'77 -- Barry couldn't catch in a crowd, Ollie couldn't run away from one. TE: Len Garrett, 1971-'72 -- Nicknamed "Graveyard", he had hands of stone. T: Tony Mandarich, 1989-'91 -- Drafted ahead of Barry Sanders and Deion Sanders, he will live in infamy as the biggest bust of all time. T: Malcolm Snider, 1972-'74 -- A serviceable guard, he had to fill in at tackle in 1973 and gave up an NFL record two safeties in a game against the Los Angeles Rams. G: Arland Thompson, 1981 -- He was a basket case when he was thrust into the starting lineup for the final game in 1981 with a playoff berth at stake. Never has a player been more unnerved than he was at the prospect of facing the New York Jets' Sack Exchange. Moreover, the coaching staff, in all its wisdom, elected to run behind him on consecutive plays at a critical point in the game. Second and 1 at the Jets' 13 quickly turned into a fourth-and-2 situation. G: Bill Bain, 1975 -- He became a solid lineman with the Rams for seven years, but he was a time bomb with the Packers. Drafted in the second round, he walked out of a film session at the end of training camp his second year and demanded to be traded. "I felt there was too much pressure on me," he said at the time. "Maybe I'm not tough enough mentally yet." C: Wimpy Winther, 1971 -- Believe it or not, the Packers traded a fifth-round draft pick for a center named Wimpy. QB: Frank Patrick, 1970-'72 -- Drafted as a tight end, the Packers tried to make him a quarterback with predictable results. His career stats were: 8 completions, 23 attempts, no touchdowns & "that safety". HB: Michael Haddix, 1990-'91 -- He was the go-to back in a Lindy Infante offense that was better suited for flag football. In 1990, he led the team in rushing with an anemic 311 yards, the lowest total by the Packers' team leader in 32 years. FB: Vickey Ray Anderson, 1980 -- With a name like that, he was never mistaken for Bronco Nagurski. DEFENSEE: Greg Boyd, 1983 -- "Looks like Tarzan, plays like Jane." Never has that scout's adage more fittingly applied to a player. E: Donnie Humphrey, 1984-'86 -- Along with having a weight problem and a drug problem, he could hardly wait for practice to end so he could puff on a cigarette in the locker room. T: Rich Moore, 1969-'70 -- He was a no-name when they drafted him in the first round and was still a no-name when they dumped him. T: Carl Barzilauskus, 1978-'79 -- A first-round bust with the Jets, the Packers traded two high draft picks to get him. He was just as big a bust for them. MLB: Tom Perko, 1976 -- A fourth-round draft pick, he sparkled in his first nutcracker drill, whipping veteran tackle Dick Himes three straight times. But when it was 11 on 11, he couldn't make a play. OLB: Putt Choate, 1987 -- Not much of a player, but his name has a linebacker ring to it for pre-game introductions. OLB: Rydell Malancon, 1987 -- Like Choate, a strike replacement player who makes the team on name only. CB: Estus Hood, 1978-'84 -- Not even Terrell Buckley got beat deep as often as he did. CB: Ike Thomas, 1972-'73 -- After he returned a kickoff 89 yards against the Bears, their coach, Abe Gibron, said he never saw anybody run so far and look so scared in all his years in the NFL. SS: Mossy Cade, 1985-'86 -- The Packers traded a first-round draft pick to get him from San Diego and had his services for 30 games. They got nothing in return when he was convicted of sexual assault and sent to Fox Lake Correctional Institution for a 15-month prison term. FS: Hurles Scales, 1975 -- The name said it all. Although his stay was short, he was the deserving winner of the team's "Ugly Man Contest," a training camp ritual at the time. The Glory Years of the 1960s lasted just eight years. The Gory Years that followed lasted 24. "When you look at the record, how many seasons we were 4-12, yet the stands were still full," said Brian Noble, a talented linebacker for nine seasons. "There was a stretch in there where we not only were a crummy football team, but think of all the other things that transpired off the field." Pure hell for Packer fans everywhere was watching those stumbling, bumbling teams of the Phil Bengtson, Dan Devine, Bart Starr, Forrest Gregg and Lindy Infante eras. Some of the most forgettable quarterbacks in the history of the game played in the Green and Gold: Frank Patrick, Jim Del Gaizo, Don Milan, Bill Troup and Anthony Dilweg to name just a few. The sometimes crazy decisions of the front office where stuperfying. The huge price Dan Devine paid in 1974 for the sore armed quarterback John Hadl from the Rams virtually mortaged the teams future by surrendering the teams first five draft choices over the next two years. And what about first round draft picks when we weren't giving them away. Great failures included Rich Moore who played defensive tackle as if he were stuck in wet cement; Barry Smith who shivered and cringed every time he was the intended receiver on a crossing pattern; Rich Campbell wobbly duck throws and Tony Mandarich who played offensive tackle as if he were knee-deep in a swamp. The long awaited return of the Glory years was something for all long-suffering Packers fans to once again cherish. But we can not and should not forget our past if we want to keep striving Back to the Future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muskybuck Posted January 5, 2005 Share Posted January 5, 2005 Jeepers, Now I don't like either the Pack or the Vikings. Shucks anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
otto_man Posted January 5, 2005 Share Posted January 5, 2005 wow, i'm not a packer fan any longer."ALL" their championships don't mean a thing to me now!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJR Posted January 5, 2005 Share Posted January 5, 2005 That is pretty funny.It is amazing how many players are flops. Just goes to show you how talented the ones who play for a # of years are.Otto were you around to see the 67 and 68 super bowls? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Down to Earth Posted January 6, 2005 Author Share Posted January 6, 2005 Holy Cow that is quite a list. You either are a super football knowledge nut or someone with a lot of time on your hands for internet research. Is that an original list or did you get that from elsewhere?I'm not old enough to remember the GLory days of the 60's or the Gory days of the 70's so I will have to settle for the Gory 80's and the Glory 90's. The 00's haven't been either one really, but more towards Glory than Gory. I would like to make a couple edits to your list however. The first is I'd like to change your QB selection and instead insert Rich Campbell who the Packers drafted 6th overall in 1981. Also one name missing in your Manderich line is LB Derrick Thomas. At the time I think he would have been the better fit. I don't know if Sanders would have had the same career as he did in the dome at Detroit. And if I recall correctly at the time Sanders was making remarks about not wanting to play in GB. I see you did mention Buckley, who is definately an honorable mention at CB.I'm sure one could make a similar list for pretty much every team in the NFL. A few on the Vikings side that I can remember is first off "THE TRADE". Even though the Vikings have never won a Super Bowl, they can have some satisfaction in helping Dallas get on track and winning some in the 90's. Also some guy named Underwood comes to mind as well as a stellar draft pick for the Minnesota organization. I'm sure there are a few others for both the Pack and Vikes. Anyone?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buzzsaw Posted January 6, 2005 Share Posted January 6, 2005 I actually have a decent amount of knowledge... not that much however and I unfortunately don't have that much time on my hands with a 2 year old and another on the way... I'm just really good at punching in a google search and then cutting and pasting as much trash about the Packers as I can possibly find... or on the Vikes for that matter. These guys get looked at like they are some kind of heroes by some people and I find it ridiculous... don't get me wrong I am a fan, just not a fanatic. I really think the average Packer fan is more of a fanatic about their team than the average Viking fan (IMO) and I just wanted to point out to those cheese lovers that things haven't always been so good for their squad... most likely during the time frame that they spent growing up and watching them... with the exception of those good 90's teams they had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Down to Earth Posted January 6, 2005 Author Share Posted January 6, 2005 Good point. Even as a Packer Fan I get tired of hearing other Packer fans when they debate,more so it seems when debating Viking fans how often the "Glory Days" of the Lombardi era gets brought up. Its usually used as a last resort in a losing argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buzzsaw Posted January 6, 2005 Share Posted January 6, 2005 YES!! A Packer fan I can respect!! As a Viking fan I have heard that "Trump" card played over and over and while it's a valid point, I like to talk about the recent history (the late 90's teams the Packers had qualify, the 60's teams are for my parents) I must say that I don't think that I've used the arguement in Baseball threads that the Twins have won two World series... what has (insert whatever team here) done? It's just not important to me anymore what a team did way back when... everybody is different and maybe the history of a team before they were born means something to them... if they lived through it I can atleast understand it, but if you were not born or so young that it was irrelavent I just don't get it. I think we can both admit our teams have some serious issues... both teams have no defense, the Vikes lack heart (I blame ownership mostly)I just hope we can have another decent draft because we need it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
otto_man Posted January 6, 2005 Share Posted January 6, 2005 mjr yes i was! we went to my grandparents place to watch the games because our "black and white" tv didn't have good enough reception! standing by the tv holding the rabbits ears didn't quite get it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJR Posted January 6, 2005 Share Posted January 6, 2005 If you at least saw the game or held the rabbit ears to allow someone else to watch the game I guess it is ok. But that is a little before my time.Thats funny, should be fun this weekend! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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buzzsaw Posted January 6, 2005 Share Posted January 6, 2005 The boy came running home from school one day. "Mommy, Mommy, " he yelled, "we were counting today, and all the other kids could only count to four but I counted to 10. See? 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10!" "Very good," said his mother. "Is it because I'm a Packer fan, Mommy?" "Yes, it's because you're a Packer fan." The next day the boy came running home from school. "Mommy, Mommy," he yelled, "we were saying the alphabet today, and all the other kids could only say it to D, but I said it to G. See? A, b, c, d, e, f, g!" "Very good," said his mother. "Is it because I'm a Packer fan, Mommy?" "Yes, it's because you're a Packer fan." The next day the boy came running home from school. "Mommy, Mommy," she yelled, "we were in gym class today, and when we showered, none of the other boys had this, but I did!" And he dropped his pants to expose his pubic hair. "Very good," said his embarrassed mother. "Is it because I'm a Packer fan, mommy?" "No sweetheart, it's because you're 25." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buzzsaw Posted January 6, 2005 Share Posted January 6, 2005 Wing Men Twin brothers from Green Bay walk up to a US Air Force recruiting officer and tell them they'd like to join the service. The officer asks the first twin, "What can you bring to the Air Force?" "I'm a pilot", he replies. "You're in," says the officer. "I chop wood," offers the other twin. "Sorry," says the officer. "We don't really need any wood choppers." "But you hired my brother!" "Sure," says the officer. "He's a pilot." The brother rolls his eyes and replies, "Yeah, but I have to chop the wood before he can pile it!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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