Delmon Young

[zamboni]

For one thing, you guys are actually watching the games still, let alone arguing about stuff?!?!?!??!

It is over, just like our season, fahgettaboutit

[B. Amish]

go watch your royals.

[zamboni]

Touched a nerve? Who cares? Game is OVER move on!! Unless you can get the Delorean up to 88 MPH, you can't turn back time.

[Windy City Walleye Hunter]

So Pier,

Was the TD catch in the endzone a completed pass and did the Bears really lose that game against the Lions................

Oh wait, wrong thread!!! LOL

This is classic, I say KEEP IT GOING, it will make both of our fans forget what a horrible season we are mired in!

Windy

[PierBridge]

Actually nothing is cleared up at all! The fan by the angled wall reached for it.....I can find no evidence he touched it......but that is apparently what was called. The guy in the orange shirt and the kid in front of him FOR SURE WERE HIT BY THE BALL(in the stands). Does a guy reaching FOR the ball trump the ball in the stands??????Just because an ump makes a call, doesn't make it a CORRECT CALL.....# of years you have umped has NO BEARING ON THE CALL.

It sure followed the bad luck of the TWINS this year. It seems like if it could go against us...IT WILL.

It doesn't matter if the FAN who reached into the field of play, almost to ground level ended up missing the ball by 2 INCHES or not. An Umpire or any reasonable mind could have concluded the ball was interfered with by the fan who REACHED entirely into the Field of play attempting to get the ball. IMO he actually touched it with out a doubt. They don't replay such things nor should they. Once an umpire calls fan interference there can NOT be a ground rule double called instead...we go to Rule 8-2-N which says when fan interference happens..Dead ball and the runners are awarded the bases they would have had, had the interference not occurred in the umpires judgement..

Now like I said earlier it's not that far of a stretch to assume the runner from 1st may have scored.

We have 2 outs and runner on 1st so he's running on contact. We have a left handed batter so Delmon among-st other things is shading him a bit to center. It's an extra base hit down the left field line so there is a chance he could score if in the Umpires mind he would have if the fan didn't interfere with the play.

That was my whole beef with Delmon. You can not stop on any play PERIOD! you have to keep playing regardless if you think you know what happened or in Delmons case you are clue-less once again in the field. Trust me the umpires facor in where the defense players are at the moment of truth

I have no-problem with any one thinking the umpire should have just given the runner 3rd, that part is very arguable but it is not a ground rule double for peats sake..

Let's get back on track...

That being said Delmon is hitting .250 against Kansas City this year and .179 against the rest of the league.

[PierBridge]

So Pier,

Was the TD catch in the endzone a completed pass and did the Bears really lose that game against the Lions................

Oh wait, wrong thread!!! LOL

This is classic, I say KEEP IT GOING, it will make both of our fans forget what a horrible season we are mired in!

Windy

Actually and I know I'm the minority but as the rule is written it wasn't a catch and I blame Johnson the reciver..

I will say I'm still extremely distressed over you guys not beating the Pack in the last game of the season which would have ended there season and the continued grief I now have to live with at work for the rest of my career.

[B. Amish]

because there's nothing funner than arguing meaningless stuff on the internet...

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"We ruled spectator interference, and the runner would've scored without it [being touched]," Darling said. "On the replay, it looked like there was a fan in an orange shirt that the ball hit. I had him reaching out [for the ball]."

they didn't call interference on the guys that reached over the railing, they called it on the dufus that got hit with the ball in the stands. that's why they completely blew it. if you don't know what you seen then take the easy way out and just call a ground rule double instead of making a game changing decision on a whim.

[PierBridge]

Plain as day Fan interference and the correct call. Thanks for posting the incriminating evidence.

Nice try on the context, semantics or parsing of words angle though....

Obviously, like I stated above the fan who reached into the field of play was the fan he was talking about.

I'm a poor sport, poor loser, on occasion myself when it comes to my team losing!...

Next!...

[B. Amish]

Obviously, like I stated above the fan who reached into the field of play was the fan he was talking about.

wrongo. he was talking about the guy in the orange shirt. it's straight out of his mouth as the quotations indicate.

[soldoncass]

Umpires have to be decisive....even when they blow it.... that's the nature of the job. It's a tough job, and I do Not envy them at all. No matter how many poor calls they make they need respect.....so do managers that point out the obvious bad calls.

One time when I was playing softball, there was a play near second base...a tag play, not a forceout. The ump made the DECISIVE call....SAFE, you missed the tag.....neither the runner nor the second baseman could believe it. (BOTH the tagger and the taggee knew the CORRECT CALL...OUT)

When you get into judgement calls, many times there are assumptions made, that are wrong....such as this one. Pier pointed out a couple facts of the play (2 out, runner going)....here are a couple more that "should have" been considered also....Peralta is a SLOW runner, the ball WOULD have bounced off that angled wall and went 1/2 way to Young, instead of dropping right by the fence, when it went into the stands.I heard that play called by the TIGER announcers.....THAY WERE SURE THEY LOST THAT RUN ALSO. Nope, Merry Christmas Tigers!!!

Could Young have hustled more? Absolutely! Would that have made a difference, when it stopped right by the fence? I doubt it, cause the fans stopped it dead.

I am concerned for Gardy, this year.....his stress level isn't good for his health. Everything that CAN GO WRONG ...IS. We need to forget this year....make NO knee-jerk reactions, like fire-sales, firing managers etc....and get personnel ready and healthy for next year. I realized that after seeing the Twin's record a couple years after the Killibrew play-off/W.S. years .UFFDA! The Twin's have been at the TOP of our division so long, the draft picks have been too near the bottom too long. Time to restock the minors!!!!

[Windy City Walleye Hunter]

Que up the oldie but goodie by Sonny and Cher.....

AND THE BEAT GOES ON.........

Lovin every minute of it!

Windy

[PierBridge]

Yeah, I'm sure 4 major leagues umpires were confused and thought the guy you posted plain as day reaching down on to the field "LIKE THE UMPIRE WAS QUOTED LOL" and touching the ball with the guy or actually the kid in the stands who the ball hit in the shoulder and then his dad behind him.... good one hardy har har.

[PierBridge]

Quote:

the ball WOULD have bounced off that angled wall and went 1/2 way to Young, instead of dropping right by the fence, when it went into the stands.

So now we have injected mind reading/crystal ball/time warp stuff into the equation ... I love HSO/FM...

[soldoncass]

Actually "Umpires Judgement", injects "mind reading/crystal ball/ time warp stuff into the equation"......every reasonable person on here knows it too. The only way to eliminate that garbage, would have been to call the ground rule double, for going in the stands.

[PierBridge]

Thats difference between us as umpires and you as fans go... along with actually knowing and understanding the rules we get that when a fan touches a ball in play it's not a ground rule double, obviously.....the more I see of Delmon the easier is to understand that runner probably would have scored...heck the runner on 1st may have scored...

On a side note and more importantly Delmon Young's glove cost us another game..

[B. Amish]

the umpire should have never said anything about looking at the replay or talking about the guy with the orange shirt who got hit with the ball while in the stands.

he should've been direct with his reasoning for calling interference and said, 'it was obvious that the gentleman reaching down onto the warning track had the ball glance off of his hangnail on his index finger, even though the ball didn't a) change direction or slow down. clearly that was interference and the run would've scored, even though we decided the run would've scored after mean mr. leyland suggested it to us.'

[PierBridge]

OK...for arguments sake as it appears we are at an impasse... let's just agree the Umpires cost us this game. I'm sure with our great hitting and relief pitching we would have won if the Umpires would not have cheated us and after all like stated above the ball was going directly to delmon and he's a great fielder and probably would have thrown the guy out at 1st to end the inning anyway."sarcasm"

Go Twins

[zamboni]

Wow, noone commented on Delmon over-running, or should I say over- stumbling the ball down the line the other night and costing us the game

[greebs]

delmon is looking brutal. unfortunately the team will always lose when they fail to score a run no matter how the other team gets their one run.

[zamboni]

You do have a point. Scattering 3-4 hits a game won't cut it.

[PierBridge]

Good to see his bat starting to come around. I fully expext a big 2nd half from his bat any-way....