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fishin789

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Hey all i dont want to put a damper on all thes ideas, but this is a serrious matter.We really have to get a lid on this problem. These fish will take over the rivers completely. Not to mention that they can survive on land and crawl to ponds and lakes. Not to mention the fact that some *****s will transfer these creatures to lakes on purpose. They are very fast breeders who take over water systems very fast. It is going to take people dieing to stop this. We dont know alot about this fish,so dont say it could not survive in the great lakes. It all comes down to money that people dont want to spend, for electronic barriers, and that might still not do the job. I dont know how to solve this problem, but we need to figure it out quickly befor its out of control.!!!!!!

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Correct me if I am wrong but I thought it was the Northern Snakehead that can live and move on land for a short time.....

JegerJack

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"What did the old man trade for these guys, a used puck bag?"

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i have heard that there is a bubble machine that puts up a wall of bubbles that boats can cross easily but fish won`t..anybody else heard about this ..understanding it would be a huge undertaking but could it be possiable to atleast contain the fish to some stretches of water until we`ve arraticated them ..how much do you think they`ll get for a fishhunting stamp?

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Here is an article from BASSMASTERS, in their January 2004 issue in their conservation section on page 13.
The Great Carp Invasion
BY ROBERT MONTGOMERY
THESE DAYS UNFORTUNATLY, TOO MANY OF THE NATIONS MOST POWERFUL POLITICIANS ARE NOT FRIENDS TO FISHERMEN.
PRESIDENT GEORGE BUSH MIGHT BE A BASS ANGLER, BUT HIS ADMINISTRATION SEEMS TO HAVE SET OUT TO SYMETRICALLY DISMANTLE FEDERAL PROTECTION FOR PUBLIC WATERS AND WETLANDS.
HIS BROTHER FLORIDA GOVENOR JEB BUSH, VETEOD A BILL THAT WOULD HAVE ESTABLISHED RODMAN RESERVOIR AS A STATE RESERVE, AND THEREBY AFFORDED IT MORE PROTECTION FROM THOSE WHO WANT TO DRAIN IT. HE DID SO EVEN THOUGH BOTH HOUSES OF THE FLORIDA LEGISLATURE PASSED THE BILL BY OVERWHLEMING MAJORITY.
BUT WE STILL DO HAVE A FEW CHAMPIONS, SUCH AS LOUISIANA GOVENOR MIKE FOSTER, WHO VETEOD A BILL THAT WOULD HAVE TRANSFERRED AUTHORITY OVER TO AQUACULTURE FROM DEPARTMENT OF WILDLIFE TO THE DEPARTMENT O AGRICULTURE.
“AS NOT ALL OF THE CHANGES I HAVE THOUGH NECESSARY WERE ACCEPTED NOT ALL OF MY CONCERNS ARE RELIEVED IN THE FINAL BILL,” FOSTER SAID , ‘AND WITHOUT FULL ENFORCEMENT ROLE FOR THE DEPARTMENT OF WILDLIFE AND FISHERIES, I CANNOT BE COMFORTABLE THAT WE HAVE DONE ALL CAN TO ELIMINATE THE RISK OF IRREVERSIBLE DAMGE TO THE WILDLIFE IN THIS STATE.”
PERHAPS NOT SO COINCIDENTALLY JUST DAYS BEFORE FOSTER VETOED THE BILL LOUISIANA COMMERCIAL FISHERMEN REPORTED CATCHING A DOZEN ASIAN CARP.
IN FUTURE HISTORY BOOKS, THE LATE 2OTH AND EARLY 21 ST CENTURIES WILL BE KNOWN AS THE GREAT CARP INVASION AS THE ASIAN CARP SPREAD LIKE CANCER THROUGH THE NATION’S WATERWAYS WITH LOUISIANA WATERS JUST ONE MORE STOP ALONG THE WAY FOR THESE LARGE AND PROLIFIC INVADERS. SILVER, GRASS, BIGHEAD AND POSSIBLY BLACK CARP ARE MIGRATING IN ALL DIRECTIONS FROM THE LOWER MISSISSIPPI WATERSHED.
TEXAS NOW REPORTS BIGHEAD CARP WEIGHING 90 POUNDS BEING CAUGHT IN ITS WATERS. MISSOURI SAYS SOME COMMERCIAL FISHERMEN HAVE GIVEN UP TRYING TO HARVEST NATIVE SPECIES SUCH AS BUFFALO, BECAUSE OF EXOTICS ARE SO THICK. LATE LAST SUMMER ON THE LAGRANGE POOL OF ILLINOIS RIVER, A BIOLOGIST NETTED WHAT HE THOUGHT WERE YOUNG GIZARD SHAD. THEY TURNED OUT TO BE YOUNG OF THE YEAR SILVER CARP.
AS THEY SPREAD, THEY OUTCOMPETE NATIVE SPECIES FOR BOTH FOOD AND HABITAT, AND THEY ARE JUST A FEW MILES FROM ENTERING THE GREAT LAKES, THE MOST VALUABLE INLAND FISHERY IN THE WORLD. RESOURCE MANAGERS HOPE TO KEEP THEM OUT WITH AN ELECTRONIC BARRIER, BUT THUS THIS FAR, TESTS SUGGEST IT EFFECTIVENESS QUESTIONABLE.
ELSEWHERE WE CAN ONLY WAIT AND SEE, YES, THEIR SPREAD CAN CAN BE SLOWED BY CONVINCING ANGLERS THAT THEY SHOULD TAKE SUCH PRECAUTIONS AS DRAINING ALL THEIR WATER FROM BOATS, AND EQUIPMENT BEFORE MOVING FROM ONE FISHERY TO ANOTHER, AND NOT RELEASING LIVEBAIT.
BUT PANDORA ALREADY HAS ESCAPED THE BOX, ATLEAST AS FAR THESE SPECIES OF EXOTIC CARP ARE CONCERNED. THE CARP AREIN TEXAS, MISSOURI, ILLINOIS AND LOUISIANA, AND SOON THEY WILL BE JUST ABOUT EVERYWHERE ELSE. THEY WILL GOBBLE UP THE INVERTBRATES ALSO NEEDED AS FOOD BY THE FRY OF BASS AND OTHER GAMEFISH. THEY WILL OBLITERATE THE THREATENED AND ENDANGERED SPECIES OF MUSSELS. THEY WILL SO FILL UP A FISHERY THEIR BIOMASS, THAT FEW OTHER SPECIES WILL BE ABLE TO CO-EXIST WITH THEM.
SEEING THAT INVASION TAKE PLACE BEFORE OUR EYES AND KNOWING OF THE LIKELY CATASTROPHIC CONSEQUENCES, DO WE WANT TO ALLOW OTHER INVADERS TO FOLLOW IN THEIR WAKE?
IN DENYING THE TRANSFER OF CONTROL OF LOUISIANA AQUACULTURE TO THE DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE, FOSTER SAID HE DOESN’T WANT LOUISIANA TO BE THE ESCAPE VENUE FOR EXOTICS THAT COULD DAMAGE NOT ONLY THE FISHERY OF A STATE, BUT ELSEWHERE AS WELL.
GOVENOR FOSTER IS TO BE COMMENDED FOR STANDING UP TO PROTECT PUBLIC FISHERIES IN LOUISIANA. AND THE TIME IS LONG OVERUDE FOR SOME OTHER GOVENORS, AS WELL AS THE FEDERAL GOVERNEMENT TO DO.
IN CASE YOU HAVENT FIGURED IT OUT BY NOW, FISH FARMERS, ESPECIALLY THOSE IN THE MID-SOUTH ARE THE ONES RESPONSIBLE FOR THE GREAT CARP INVASION, WITH AID AND SUPPORT PROVIDED BY POLITICIANS WHO DO THEIR BIFFING. THE FARMERS SAY THEY MUST DIVERSIFY IF THEY ARE TO SURVIVE. IN GROWING CARP FOR FOOD AND CONTROL OF NUISANCE PLANTS AND SNAILS, THEY PROMISE THEY WILL NOT ALLOW THE EXOTIC TO ESCAPE. AND IF BY SOME SMALL CHANCE A FEW EXOTICS ESCPAE, THE FARMERS INSIST THEY WILL NEVER REPRODUCE IN THE WILD. IN STATES SUCH AS MISSISSIPPI, WHERE THE DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE REGULATES AQUACULTURE, THE ECONOMIC PLIGHT OF FISH FARMERS INEVITABLY TAKES PRECEDENCE OVER THREATS TO NATURAL RESOURCES.”STATE WILDLIFE OFFICIALS HAVE LITTLE INFLUENCE OVER EXOTIC SPECIES INTRODUCTIONS, AND HAVE BEEN DISCOURAGED FROM EVEN PARTICIPATING AQUATIC NUISANCES SPECIES CONTROL EFFORTS,” REPORTS THE MISSISSIPPI INTERSTATE COOPERATIVE RESOURCES ASSOCIATIONS.
Correct me if I am wrong but why cant we go after the farmers in a class action lawsuit, who said these fish wouldn’t be able to reproduce? I wish we could now what facts they were going on. If they are so concerned about fish farmers, are they now fearing for people who make a living on these waters? The guides, resorts, etc, what about the person who just wants to go boating or fishing or swimming?
Best Fishes
Chris

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Carp skiing is bound to be the next big Extreme Sport, dodging 40 lb fish on water skis, within a year it will be in a Mountain Dew commercial.

It is serious though, but what can we do? From what I've read the fish and game folks don't have much faith in Bubble Barriers.

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Since so many lakes have streams that are connected and creeks that eventually dump into a river that eventually dumps into the Mississippi I wonder how long before we here of a lake with them in ?
O---O---____=====
lake - creek - lake - river - mississippi
its all connected

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This is like armageddon, if this continues to come north even more it's going to be havoc on our ecological system and I personally think it will reach to some lakes that are not even connected like someone said already "some *****s will transport these fish to lakes". I sure hope they can stop it some safe way before they start seeing some big numbers down in Lake City.


Good Fishin'...

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