Guests - If You want access to member only forums on HSO. You will gain access only when you sign-in or Sign-Up on HotSpotOutdoors.

It's easy - LOOK UPPER right menu.

Sign in to follow this  
Followers 0
Paul

Some Close Up critters

8 posts in this topic

These are not macros. I shot these from a distance of over 75 feet away. they are heavily Cropped to bring out the details. Any CC would be appreciated on these shots.

Chipmunk

chipmunk.jpg

Personally Favorite, A squirell

squirell-1.jpg

Male American Gold Finch

gold-finch.jpg

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

First is my favorite, Paul. Tough to get every element when you have to crop so much, but still nice. C&C? Keep workin' on gettin' closer! Composition is good.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I also like #1 the best.

Do you guys have guidelines as how much you dare crop for say an 8x10 photo starting with an 8 or 10 meg dsl? I know it would depend on how sharp you got the shot the in the first place?

XT had asked a while back about when a shot is cropped 50% or 100%, what does that mean, I was curious also but don't think I saw an answer.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I agree with Ken. On your third image you have some haloing around the bird as well. Normally caused by over sharpening and with the heavy crop it just exaggerates it.

I just seems so easy to just take the crop tool and get what you want, but pixels are pixels. There is only so much data available and when you take away 60% or 70% of it...well you just have to get closer, buy a bigger lens, or live with what you have.

I honestly think this is one of the toughest things for folks new to digital to learn. An experienced eye will see all these little things in a digital file, haloing, over sharpening, shadow recovery, dodging and burning. The longer I do this the less I spend in manipulating files. Just as in film days getting it right in the camera, exposure, focus, etc. gives you a much better file that requires very little in PP.

Sorry to get slightly off track in C&C but I think it is good for ALL of us to think about these things on occasion. I know I have to.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

DMN it is a matter of simple math. Lets say I start with a file 3504 X 2336 or about 6.4mp (just happened to have one). If I now use the crop tool, which keep in mind only is for cropping your photo to a format to fit print paper, how much do I lose? How much did you crop away? The remaining amount of pixels remaining from the original is the percentage I cropped away. Most folks just make a guess, hence the 50% crop.

The more you take a way the fewer pixels you are left with. I print about 3 or 4 files per week at 20"x30" or 24"x30" sizes with 2mp to 4 mp files. My labs RIP or software that up sizes handles these with no problems. Obviously the larger the file the more pixels we have and the end result is better.

Many on line labs will tell you when you upload your photo the largest print size that will give good results. They usually have a little bar indicator that shows you visually what you can get from the file. Each lab is slightly different based on their software.

One good reason to always keep a copy of the original file, if at a latter date you want to print larger it is better to work from the un-cropped file, more pixels again.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Dan's on the money.

I recently took a photo and cropped away 70 percent from my 8.2 Mp camera's file and what was left made a fine, sharp 8x10 print, and I could go about 11x14 but no bigger with it.

I did that by cropping it how I wanted, dropping resolution to 240 ppi and then locking that resolution but increasing size to 8x10. That forced photoshop to add pixels (interpolate), and I selected the "bicubic smoothing" option, later sharpening to taste.

Much depends on the lens you used to make the capture. The sharpest lenses will allow you to crop more aggressively at more extreme ranges from the subject. I used the 400 f5.6L for the image I mentioned. With the 100-400 I couldn't have done it (I've tried before) because the zoom doesn't resolve the image quite as sharply at extreme range as the prime does.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Thanks Dbl and stf, it is starting to make more sense.

I have been cropping I think to say 8X10 with the boxes for resample unchecked and watching resolution. I will have to look tonight and maybe start a new thread, I don't want to hijack Pauls thread here.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I will have to look tonight and maybe start a new thread, I don't want to hijack Pauls thread here.

That'd be good! gringrin

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Guest
This topic is now closed to further replies.
Sign in to follow this  
Followers 0



  • Posts

    •   Same here. I have 3 of them. Use them in the SUV, Boat, Snowmobile, and Dual Sport bike. They seem to work better on my sled in the winter with no issues at all over my old ifinder which would eat batteries in the cold. They are discontinued but you can still find them out there on the List or bay once in a while. I like them as they are a crossover and can be used on the road or with a lake map which is the main thing I use them for. Wish they would bring something like it back.
    • Ridiculous... but it would work.  Sorry to offend, guess I don't get quite so fired up about concrete.
    • Concrete. Way easier to plow. My parents have a gravel driveway WORST THING EVER! Impossible to snow blow because of all the rocks always wet and muddy. Sure it's cheaper but in the long it's not worth the cheaper price. 
    • I have used a Lowrance XOG (no longer available) on my boat and on my snowmobile for years now with no problems with cold or speed of tracking. I use a Lakemaster card for Minnesota lake for fishing, a Navionics card for coverage in Canada and LOW for winter and summer fishing, and a Red Pine snowmobile trail map for riding. Have ridden at 30 below without any problem with the touchscreen, it is hooked up to sled power, so it probably is getting some heat, and I put it inside my jacket when I get off. I recommend that you do a little research on the available chips for where you are going because different manufacturers use different chips. My use pretty much limits me to Garmin, and expect to pay couple to $300+ for chips for where I travel.
    • So are you saying what happened to me did not happen ? We not talking about a 4 inch concrete slab , it is a thin layer of gyp crete that covers the pex , it has the consistency of water when poured and sets up fast, it is self leveling and any movement in the pex shows up and cant be undone . Yes if it was fastened continuously it could not move but that would be ridiculous . As so this discussion !  
    •   Just like all the other teams do. He gets the same shot over and over against every team. Not sure how you let a guy with 18 power play goals float like that. Doesn't hurt Bakstrom is setting it all up. You leave him and just cover Ovi and he will light you up.
    • Good looking driveway always enhances the value of the home and attract friends and neighbors. Nowadays, the commonly used paving materials are concrete slabs and paving stones. Concrete slabs are easy to install, but the material takes a time to dry and cure. Whereas, paving stone installation are ready to use immediately upon completion. Like, last month my neighbor had hired the services of driveway paving in Suffolk County contractors to lay a brick paver patio in their garden area. After the completion of installation, it has appreciated the value of their property.
    • Caught a 19" Bass fishing for Crappie last night!!   I was using 2.5" Gulp Minnows on a small Jig catching Crappie and i couldn't get a good pic as it was dark and couldn't get flash to come on my phone.   4 pound test .... nice little fight .... Had a few nice swirls nip my Bobber also five minutes before that.   Crappies were 10" and thin (hungry)  all returned for some catch n release recreational fishing!!   
    • Just wondering if anyone has done this and if so I'd love to see pictures I'm going to make this my spring project 
    • Dude that's pretty awesome data and pics/video.   Way cooler stuff than when I was a middle school kid.
  • Our Sponsors